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Subject: Re: Set the Record straight again, Bob - - -

Author: Mark Young

Date: 20:26:30 01/25/04

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On January 25, 2004 at 21:38:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 25, 2004 at 20:04:16, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>- - in a famous German forum the kids are on the streets and they shout:
>>
>>These old-fashioned Cray Blitz and Deep Blue monuments won't be "disqualified"
>>by their authors with actualized Elo numbers.
>>
>>Is that true? Would these legends lose badly against today's elite of
>>computerchess programs?
>>
>>I'm waiting!
>>
>>Rolf
>
>
>I don't believe _any_ of them would "lose badly".  Any "super-program" from deep
>thought through Cray Blitz would be very tough opponents for today's programs.
>However, hardware is beginning to catch up.  Someone just pointed out on a chess
>server last night that this quad opteron system I have is about the same speed
>as the Cray T90 I ran on in 1995, in terms of raw nodes per second (6-7M back
>then, 7-8M typically on the quad opteron).  So it is now probable that Crafty
>could actually win a match from Cray Blitz on a T90 with 32 CPUs, assuming I use
>the quad opteron.  My quad xeon 700 got ripped by the same machine a couple of
>years back, however, so it would still be dangerous.
>
>I can't say much about how it would compare to other commercial programs as I
>didn't run those tests with very little test time to play with the T90.
>
>The superiority of today's programs over the super-computers of 1995 are mainly
>mythical, IMHO.  I suspect the games would be a _lot_ more interesting than some
>would believe.  Of course, there is little chance to test such a hypothesis
>since most old programs are long-retired, and such hardware is not readily
>available today.

Hello Bob,

I have a question..

Since we do have the games of the old retired giants. Is it valid to use todays
top programs to play over the positions of the old programs like Cray-blitz or
Deeper Blue. Would such data be valid when trying to compare the old
super-computers to todays top programs.

I have seen this done on CCC before, but I am not sure if this kind of
comparison is valid.



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