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Subject: Re: Lets all buy Weak Engines

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 13:23:54 04/02/04

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On April 02, 2004 at 16:17:47, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 02, 2004 at 15:04:15, martin fierz wrote:
>
>>On April 02, 2004 at 12:36:58, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On April 02, 2004 at 12:09:29, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 02, 2004 at 11:46:56, Christian Koch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>see http://rahman85.tripod.com/rahman.html
>>>>
>>>>All engines goes commercial !
>>>>
>>>>I hold me then only the best 5 (MAX)!
>>>>Is this the way?
>>>>
>>>>Eduard
>>>
>>>All the engines can go commercial, but most people will only buy the top 5 rated
>>>by the SSDF and other Rating agencies.
>>>
>>>Jorge
>>
>>"let's all buy weak engines" - ahem, do you mean to imply that ktulu is weak??
>>ktulu is a very good free engine, and if version 5 gets something like 50-100
>>points better it is certainly a reasonable move to make it commercial...
>>
>>cheers
>>  martin
>
>Crafty level engines are considered as weak relative to the commercial and even
>going 100 elo higher is not enough.
>
>I guess that ktulu needs to get at least 150 elo better to be in the same league
>as Junior or Fritz that mean competing for the second place after shredder.

That's on the one hand.  (Actually, 200 will be needed for
ChessTiger/Junior/Fritz territory I think).

On the other hand, 100 Elo will make it stronger than many engines already
professional.  From Leo's list we have this:

1    0    DeepSjeng 1.5 *          2734   0      236
2    0    The King 3.23 *          2696   0      68
3    0    Ruffian 2.0.0 *          2691   0      304
4    0    Gandalf 4.32h *          2650   0      340
5    0    Aristarch 4.21           2642   0      382
6    0    Little Goliath 3.9 po    2627   0      380
7    0    Rebel 12 *               2627   0      68
8    0    SmarThink 0.17a          2623   0      515
9    0    WARP 0.58 **             2615   0      252
10   0    GreenLightChess 3.00     2614   0      464
11   0    Crafty 19.06             2596   0      416
12   0    Yace Paderborn           2582   0      488
13   0    Zarkov 4.5e **           2578   0      340
14   0    Quark 2.05b              2547   0      432
15   0    Dragon 4.5               2545   0      532
16   0    Nejmet 3.07              2535   0      528
17   0    Ktulu 4.1                2531   0      68

2531 + 150 = 2681 which would be about the level of Rebel and Gandalf on this
list.

Zarkov is available commercially (Bookup sells it IIRC) and is very near to the
strength of Ktulu.



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