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Subject: Re: Lets all buy Weak Engines

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 13:33:21 04/02/04

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On April 02, 2004 at 16:23:54, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On April 02, 2004 at 16:17:47, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 02, 2004 at 15:04:15, martin fierz wrote:
>>
>>>On April 02, 2004 at 12:36:58, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 02, 2004 at 12:09:29, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 02, 2004 at 11:46:56, Christian Koch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>see http://rahman85.tripod.com/rahman.html
>>>>>
>>>>>All engines goes commercial !
>>>>>
>>>>>I hold me then only the best 5 (MAX)!
>>>>>Is this the way?
>>>>>
>>>>>Eduard
>>>>
>>>>All the engines can go commercial, but most people will only buy the top 5 rated
>>>>by the SSDF and other Rating agencies.
>>>>
>>>>Jorge
>>>
>>>"let's all buy weak engines" - ahem, do you mean to imply that ktulu is weak??
>>>ktulu is a very good free engine, and if version 5 gets something like 50-100
>>>points better it is certainly a reasonable move to make it commercial...
>>>
>>>cheers
>>>  martin
>>
>>Crafty level engines are considered as weak relative to the commercial and even
>>going 100 elo higher is not enough.
>>
>>I guess that ktulu needs to get at least 150 elo better to be in the same league
>>as Junior or Fritz that mean competing for the second place after shredder.
>
>That's on the one hand.  (Actually, 200 will be needed for
>ChessTiger/Junior/Fritz territory I think).
>
>On the other hand, 100 Elo will make it stronger than many engines already
>professional.  From Leo's list we have this:
>
>1    0    DeepSjeng 1.5 *          2734   0      236
>2    0    The King 3.23 *          2696   0      68
>3    0    Ruffian 2.0.0 *          2691   0      304
>4    0    Gandalf 4.32h *          2650   0      340
>5    0    Aristarch 4.21           2642   0      382
>6    0    Little Goliath 3.9 po    2627   0      380
>7    0    Rebel 12 *               2627   0      68
>8    0    SmarThink 0.17a          2623   0      515
>9    0    WARP 0.58 **             2615   0      252
>10   0    GreenLightChess 3.00     2614   0      464
>11   0    Crafty 19.06             2596   0      416
>12   0    Yace Paderborn           2582   0      488
>13   0    Zarkov 4.5e **           2578   0      340
>14   0    Quark 2.05b              2547   0      432
>15   0    Dragon 4.5               2545   0      532
>16   0    Nejmet 3.07              2535   0      528
>17   0    Ktulu 4.1                2531   0      68
>
>2531 + 150 = 2681 which would be about the level of Rebel and Gandalf on this
>list.
>
>Zarkov is available commercially (Bookup sells it IIRC) and is very near to the
>strength of Ktulu.

This rating is for ktulu4.1 and ktulu4.2 may be slightly better.

Uri



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