Author: John Merlino
Date: 09:22:16 05/15/04
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On May 15, 2004 at 10:30:51, James T. Walker wrote: >On May 14, 2004 at 21:11:54, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On May 14, 2004 at 20:30:24, James T. Walker wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2004 at 20:01:50, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>On May 14, 2004 at 19:19:18, Alex wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 17:16:03, John Merlino wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:42:13, Terry Giles wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:07:54, John Merlino wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Finally, there's something to see about the next version of Chessmaster >>>>>>>>(apparently officially called "Chessmaster 10th Edition"): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/chessmasterx_pc.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As expected (by me), the interface is entirely new, since the program is being >>>>>>>>developed by the same team that did the PS2 version. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>From what I can glean from the info on the website, it sounds like the majority >>>>>>>>of the work has gone into redesigning the UI and improving the online play. I >>>>>>>>don't see any new exciting tutorial/analysis features, other than Johan's new >>>>>>>>version of The King. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So it sounds like they're going to sell the program based on the merits of the >>>>>>>>new interface. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I also see a hint that there is an Xbox version in the works as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As for an official release date, there isn't one mentioned. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Enjoy! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>jm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks for the info John, sad to say that all the screenshots shown are of >>>>>>>'arty-farty' chesspieces and board combinations. I'm currently running CM9k on a >>>>>>>PII @ 400Mhz, so unless I go for a major upgrade PC wise, the CM10th anniversary >>>>>>>program will prove too demanding for my computer! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>tag >>>>>> >>>>>>Yep, the min spec says P3-450, so I don't think this will be for you. >>>>>> >>>>>>But I would definitely say it's time to upgrade, especially if you are a fan of >>>>>>computer chess! >>>>>> >>>>>>jm >>>>> Yah whatever! Look--don't get me wrong......... I am a fan. BUT! let's face >>>>>it -- the delivery in regard to online features and quality of chessmaster as >>>>>historically presented and advertised is almost criminal in my opinion! Yah -- >>>>>3d sets...I am with KURT U. on this one! I ALWAYS actually play on 2d sets! >>>>>Annnnnnnnnnnnnd........last but not least let's talk about engine.......is it >>>>>reworked or is it JUST a new "personality setting"? Alex >>>> >>>>To answer your comments: >>>> >>>>-- I almost always use the 2D sets, too. But many of the 3D sets are playable >>>>(particularly the "flat" ones) and have the advantage that they can be resized >>>>to any desired amount. >>>> >>>>-- The engine is new. It's got a new version number and everything -- just like >>>>the engine in CM9000, which tests show is anywhere between 100-150 points >>>>stronger than the previous version. Somehow I don't see that as "JUST a new >>>>'personality setting'". >>>> >>>>jm >>> >>>Somehow I don't believe the "100-150 points stronger". In the history of >>>commercial computer chess I have never seen that big of a jump in rating at one >>>time. In fact the improvements in strength lately have been almost >>>unrecognizable. I am at the point of giving up on buying more chess programs >>>and faster computers for a couple of years. My blitz test show Fritz 8 is about >>>11 points stronger than Fritz 7. Big deal. It seems that improvements in the >>>opening book make it look stronger for a while untill book learning negates the >>>new lines. Then the real improvement shows itself. Just my opinion of course. >>>Jim >> >>The last upgrade for ChessMaster: >>Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2520 44 -45 251 45% 2552 >>Chessmaster 9000 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2720 36 -36 376 55% 2682 >> >>200 Elo increase. How much was hardware? >> >>For Chess Tiger 14.0, same program on those two machines: >>Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2640 23 -23 905 55% 2608 >>Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2719 30 -30 557 61% 2640 >>diff = 79 Elo >> >>For Chess Tiger 15.0, same program on those two machines: >>Chess Tiger 15.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2666 34 -33 433 52% 2651 >>Chess Tiger 15.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2719 23 -22 983 58% 2659 >>diff = 53 Elo >> >>For Fritz 7.0, same program on those two machines: >>Fritz 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2633 38 -37 348 53% 2611 >>Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2744 29 -28 634 63% 2653 >>diff = 111 Elo >> >>For Hiarcs 8.0, same program on those two machines: >>Hiarcs 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2588 33 -34 440 42% 2648 >>Hiarcs 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 22 -22 996 53% 2663 >>diff = 96 Elo >> >>For Junior 7.0, same program on those two machines: >>Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2634 21 -21 1143 56% 2591 >>Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2702 24 -23 881 54% 2674 >>diff = 68 Elo >> >>For Rebel Century 4.0, same program on those two machines: >>Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2569 52 -53 178 46% 2595 >>Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2677 29 -29 590 60% 2606 >>diff = 108 Elo >> >>For Shredder 6.0, same program on those two machines: >>Shredder 6.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2618 43 -43 264 52% 2607 >>Shredder 6.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2723 31 -30 547 62% 2634 >>diff = 105 Elo >> >>For Shredder 7.0, same program on those two machines: >>Shredder 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2772 27 -25 801 70% 2624 >>Shredder 7.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2699 34 -34 429 54% 2669 >>diff = 73 Elo >> >>Average Elo elevation for hardware change is: >> (79 + 53 + 111 + 96 + 68 + 108 + 105 + 73)/8 = 693/8 = 87 Elo >> >>Therefore, 200 - 87 = 113 was the last increase for ChessMaster (approximately) >>Hence, 100-150 Elo would be par for the course. > >Thanks for the stats Dann. Do you know if CM9K was tested using original >default settings or what? >Jim The SSDF tested the program with original settings EXCEPT a larger hash table and increased selective search value (to 9, I believe). Other than that, it was the default. jm
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