Author: James T. Walker
Date: 13:48:10 05/15/04
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On May 15, 2004 at 12:22:16, John Merlino wrote: >On May 15, 2004 at 10:30:51, James T. Walker wrote: > >>On May 14, 2004 at 21:11:54, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2004 at 20:30:24, James T. Walker wrote: >>> >>>>On May 14, 2004 at 20:01:50, John Merlino wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 19:19:18, Alex wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 17:16:03, John Merlino wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:42:13, Terry Giles wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:07:54, John Merlino wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Finally, there's something to see about the next version of Chessmaster >>>>>>>>>(apparently officially called "Chessmaster 10th Edition"): >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/chessmasterx_pc.htm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>As expected (by me), the interface is entirely new, since the program is being >>>>>>>>>developed by the same team that did the PS2 version. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>From what I can glean from the info on the website, it sounds like the majority >>>>>>>>>of the work has gone into redesigning the UI and improving the online play. I >>>>>>>>>don't see any new exciting tutorial/analysis features, other than Johan's new >>>>>>>>>version of The King. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>So it sounds like they're going to sell the program based on the merits of the >>>>>>>>>new interface. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I also see a hint that there is an Xbox version in the works as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>As for an official release date, there isn't one mentioned. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Enjoy! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>jm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thanks for the info John, sad to say that all the screenshots shown are of >>>>>>>>'arty-farty' chesspieces and board combinations. I'm currently running CM9k on a >>>>>>>>PII @ 400Mhz, so unless I go for a major upgrade PC wise, the CM10th anniversary >>>>>>>>program will prove too demanding for my computer! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>tag >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yep, the min spec says P3-450, so I don't think this will be for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>But I would definitely say it's time to upgrade, especially if you are a fan of >>>>>>>computer chess! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>jm >>>>>> Yah whatever! Look--don't get me wrong......... I am a fan. BUT! let's face >>>>>>it -- the delivery in regard to online features and quality of chessmaster as >>>>>>historically presented and advertised is almost criminal in my opinion! Yah -- >>>>>>3d sets...I am with KURT U. on this one! I ALWAYS actually play on 2d sets! >>>>>>Annnnnnnnnnnnnd........last but not least let's talk about engine.......is it >>>>>>reworked or is it JUST a new "personality setting"? Alex >>>>> >>>>>To answer your comments: >>>>> >>>>>-- I almost always use the 2D sets, too. But many of the 3D sets are playable >>>>>(particularly the "flat" ones) and have the advantage that they can be resized >>>>>to any desired amount. >>>>> >>>>>-- The engine is new. It's got a new version number and everything -- just like >>>>>the engine in CM9000, which tests show is anywhere between 100-150 points >>>>>stronger than the previous version. Somehow I don't see that as "JUST a new >>>>>'personality setting'". >>>>> >>>>>jm >>>> >>>>Somehow I don't believe the "100-150 points stronger". In the history of >>>>commercial computer chess I have never seen that big of a jump in rating at one >>>>time. In fact the improvements in strength lately have been almost >>>>unrecognizable. I am at the point of giving up on buying more chess programs >>>>and faster computers for a couple of years. My blitz test show Fritz 8 is about >>>>11 points stronger than Fritz 7. Big deal. It seems that improvements in the >>>>opening book make it look stronger for a while untill book learning negates the >>>>new lines. Then the real improvement shows itself. Just my opinion of course. >>>>Jim >>> >>>The last upgrade for ChessMaster: >>>Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2520 44 -45 251 45% 2552 >>>Chessmaster 9000 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2720 36 -36 376 55% 2682 >>> >>>200 Elo increase. How much was hardware? >>> >>>For Chess Tiger 14.0, same program on those two machines: >>>Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2640 23 -23 905 55% 2608 >>>Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2719 30 -30 557 61% 2640 >>>diff = 79 Elo >>> >>>For Chess Tiger 15.0, same program on those two machines: >>>Chess Tiger 15.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2666 34 -33 433 52% 2651 >>>Chess Tiger 15.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2719 23 -22 983 58% 2659 >>>diff = 53 Elo >>> >>>For Fritz 7.0, same program on those two machines: >>>Fritz 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2633 38 -37 348 53% 2611 >>>Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2744 29 -28 634 63% 2653 >>>diff = 111 Elo >>> >>>For Hiarcs 8.0, same program on those two machines: >>>Hiarcs 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2588 33 -34 440 42% 2648 >>>Hiarcs 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 22 -22 996 53% 2663 >>>diff = 96 Elo >>> >>>For Junior 7.0, same program on those two machines: >>>Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2634 21 -21 1143 56% 2591 >>>Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2702 24 -23 881 54% 2674 >>>diff = 68 Elo >>> >>>For Rebel Century 4.0, same program on those two machines: >>>Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2569 52 -53 178 46% 2595 >>>Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2677 29 -29 590 60% 2606 >>>diff = 108 Elo >>> >>>For Shredder 6.0, same program on those two machines: >>>Shredder 6.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2618 43 -43 264 52% 2607 >>>Shredder 6.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2723 31 -30 547 62% 2634 >>>diff = 105 Elo >>> >>>For Shredder 7.0, same program on those two machines: >>>Shredder 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2772 27 -25 801 70% 2624 >>>Shredder 7.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2699 34 -34 429 54% 2669 >>>diff = 73 Elo >>> >>>Average Elo elevation for hardware change is: >>> (79 + 53 + 111 + 96 + 68 + 108 + 105 + 73)/8 = 693/8 = 87 Elo >>> >>>Therefore, 200 - 87 = 113 was the last increase for ChessMaster (approximately) >>>Hence, 100-150 Elo would be par for the course. >> >>Thanks for the stats Dann. Do you know if CM9K was tested using original >>default settings or what? >>Jim > >The SSDF tested the program with original settings EXCEPT a larger hash table >and increased selective search value (to 9, I believe). Other than that, it was >the default. > >jm I seem to rember they used the "SKR" settings. Also not sure if they ran CM9K in the Chessbase GUI with a book not ChessMasters. I would be interested in the facts. My memory is very poor these days. Jim
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