Author: Lance Perkins
Date: 15:37:18 07/13/04
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Using your horse race analogy: after a horse race, are you comparing horses or are you comparing jockeys? Now back to chess engines... Even on the same hardware, comparison is not accurate. What if a program is optimized for Intel architecture, while another is designed for AMD architecture? Picking one hardware would be unfair for one of the engines. So really, what is your definition of the "world 'computer' chess 'champion'"? On July 13, 2004 at 18:24:50, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On July 13, 2004 at 18:15:42, Lance Perkins wrote: > >>Are you saying that given the same hardware, games between chess programs are >>"fair" by your definition? >> >>How can it be if they use different opening books? >> >>What people put in the code is not even the same. > >It depends what you want to compare. If you want to compare chess playing >strength, then of course opening books, evaluation, etc, are all part of the >comparison. If you want to compare hardware, then run a unique program >(benchmark) on each hardware and compare the results. > >But by the current format of WCCC you don't reach any of these conclusions. > > >> >>Arasan's eval code has 3700 lines of code. Thinker has less than 1000 LOC. >>Arasan's binary is 1.3M (1300K). Thinker is 80K (less that 16 times). Have you >>seen a boxing match between 50lb kid and a 180lb adult? >> >>Maybe folks are having difficulty with the idea that a chess program is a >>combination of hardware and software. Can you really do anything with just >>sotware? >> >>The world "computer" chess champion is the best H+S combo. >> >>Cheers... >> >>On July 13, 2004 at 17:45:30, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On July 13, 2004 at 17:40:19, Lance Perkins wrote: >>> >>>>In a "war", that's how it is. >>> >>>Nobody claimed war is fair. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On July 13, 2004 at 17:38:42, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>The 2004 World Boxing Championship >>>>> >>>>>Rules: >>>>>Each participant is allowed to use whatever weaponry he would like. >>>>> >>>>>Participants: >>>>> >>>>>Name Weapon >>>>>---- ------ >>>>>Bill no weapon >>>>>Jack knife >>>>>Jonathan handgun >>>>>George M16 rifle >>>>>Robert RPG >>>>> >>>>>May the best boxer win!
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