Author: Gerd Isenberg
Date: 11:14:12 08/28/04
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On August 28, 2004 at 13:54:43, Andrew Williams wrote: >On August 28, 2004 at 13:48:33, Gerd Isenberg wrote: > >>On August 28, 2004 at 13:26:46, Andrew Williams wrote: >> >>>On August 28, 2004 at 11:44:30, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>> >>>>On August 28, 2004 at 10:23:53, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi there, >>>>> >>>>>Eugenio sent us the following open letter. >>>>>The letter is public on Arena webpages (News-Ticker). >>>>> >>>>>Best >>>>>Frank >>>>> >>>>>Eugenio wrote: >>>>> >>>>>--- >>>>> >>>>>"I've used crafty source to implement my own program ElChinito. >>>>> >>>>>My public and sincere apologize to Bob Hyatt not to mention that in ElChinito's >>>>>readme file and copyright notes and did not ask consequently for permission. I >>>>>will ensure that ElChinito is not longer public available for download and plays >>>>>any public tournaments. >>>>> >>>>>I've inform ICGA and French Computer Chess Association about this issue to >>>>>accept their decision, and discalificate Chinito from the played events. >>>>> >>>>>My apologize to Frank Q. for the damages caused. >>>>> >>>>>My apologize to any one of the tester and downloaders of Arena. >>>>> >>>>>Eugenio Castillo." >>>> >>>> >>>>My respect to Eugenio Castillo for his late apology. >>>>It seems that he had a hard time and a long fight to decide so. >>>> >>>>It was a severe offence of Eugenio, i understand that routines like NextMove >>>>have another quality than some cray like bitscan routines or moveInput. >>>> >>>>Eugenio obviously used Crafty framework as a toolbox for the bitboard >>>>infrastructure and parts of move generation and even minor parts of eval. He >>>>was, probably due his naivety, not fully aware of the cloning issue or did >>>>repress it in some way, after receiving no answer from Bob after some tries. >>>>Didn't Dann Corbit mention Eugenio mailed Bob about that issue, but Bob didn't >>>>receive for what reasons ever? >>>> >>>>It is difficult to quantify for me, but it seems that most of ElChinitos >>>>strength was not based on Crafty but on Eugenio's own search and most parts of >>>>it's evaluation. >>>> >>>>So i respect his decision to don't make ElChinito open source and i suggest to >>>>give ElChinito a second chance after some time, until Eugenio assures that no >>>>more parts of crafty are inside - IMHO. >>>> >>>>Gerd >>> >>>I think you're being WAY too lenient here, Gerd. You must be a nicer person than >>>me! >>> >>>Andrew >> >>Hi Andrew, >>no, but what do you suggest? > >I didn't mean in terms of the punishment, but in terms of his motives and in >terms of El Chinito's quality. I just don't think you can take the whole board >structure and move generation code out of one program and then build another >program around it and then claim that the "new" program is your own. I believe >that if Eugenio had started from scratch with nothing, his program would not >have been anything special, BUT it would have been his own program and therefore >deserving of our respect. Yes, i agree. I welcome Eugenio to post a little bit more here in CCC, sharing some backgrounds and discussing ideas. But of course not to give away all his secrets. Gerd > >>A life time ban? > >No. > >>A therapy by Rolf? > >Ha! You may be kinder than me, but I'm not THAT bad. > >:-) > >Andrew
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