Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 12:29:15 08/28/04
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On August 28, 2004 at 14:14:12, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >On August 28, 2004 at 13:54:43, Andrew Williams wrote: > >>On August 28, 2004 at 13:48:33, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >> >>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:26:46, Andrew Williams wrote: >>> >>>>On August 28, 2004 at 11:44:30, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 10:23:53, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi there, >>>>>> >>>>>>Eugenio sent us the following open letter. >>>>>>The letter is public on Arena webpages (News-Ticker). >>>>>> >>>>>>Best >>>>>>Frank >>>>>> >>>>>>Eugenio wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>--- >>>>>> >>>>>>"I've used crafty source to implement my own program ElChinito. >>>>>> >>>>>>My public and sincere apologize to Bob Hyatt not to mention that in ElChinito's >>>>>>readme file and copyright notes and did not ask consequently for permission. I >>>>>>will ensure that ElChinito is not longer public available for download and plays >>>>>>any public tournaments. >>>>>> >>>>>>I've inform ICGA and French Computer Chess Association about this issue to >>>>>>accept their decision, and discalificate Chinito from the played events. >>>>>> >>>>>>My apologize to Frank Q. for the damages caused. >>>>>> >>>>>>My apologize to any one of the tester and downloaders of Arena. >>>>>> >>>>>>Eugenio Castillo." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>My respect to Eugenio Castillo for his late apology. >>>>>It seems that he had a hard time and a long fight to decide so. >>>>> >>>>>It was a severe offence of Eugenio, i understand that routines like NextMove >>>>>have another quality than some cray like bitscan routines or moveInput. >>>>> >>>>>Eugenio obviously used Crafty framework as a toolbox for the bitboard >>>>>infrastructure and parts of move generation and even minor parts of eval. He >>>>>was, probably due his naivety, not fully aware of the cloning issue or did >>>>>repress it in some way, after receiving no answer from Bob after some tries. >>>>>Didn't Dann Corbit mention Eugenio mailed Bob about that issue, but Bob didn't >>>>>receive for what reasons ever? >>>>> >>>>>It is difficult to quantify for me, but it seems that most of ElChinitos >>>>>strength was not based on Crafty but on Eugenio's own search and most parts of >>>>>it's evaluation. >>>>> >>>>>So i respect his decision to don't make ElChinito open source and i suggest to >>>>>give ElChinito a second chance after some time, until Eugenio assures that no >>>>>more parts of crafty are inside - IMHO. >>>>> >>>>>Gerd >>>> >>>>I think you're being WAY too lenient here, Gerd. You must be a nicer person than >>>>me! >>>> >>>>Andrew >>> >>>Hi Andrew, >>>no, but what do you suggest? >> >>I didn't mean in terms of the punishment, but in terms of his motives and in >>terms of El Chinito's quality. I just don't think you can take the whole board >>structure and move generation code out of one program and then build another >>program around it and then claim that the "new" program is your own. I believe >>that if Eugenio had started from scratch with nothing, his program would not >>have been anything special, BUT it would have been his own program and therefore >>deserving of our respect. > >Yes, i agree. >I welcome Eugenio to post a little bit more here in CCC, >sharing some backgrounds and discussing ideas. >But of course not to give away all his secrets. You see, this is so insulting. You want to open a stage for people who committed fraud. Bravo! Is that really what you want for the whole field of computerchess, Gert, I beg you! > >Gerd > > >> >>>A life time ban? >> >>No. >> >>>A therapy by Rolf? >> >>Ha! You may be kinder than me, but I'm not THAT bad. >> >>:-) >> >>Andrew
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