Author: George Tsavdaris
Date: 15:36:23 10/20/04
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On October 20, 2004 at 14:50:53, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On October 20, 2004 at 14:23:48, George Tsavdaris wrote: > >>On October 20, 2004 at 13:37:52, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On October 20, 2004 at 11:08:45, emerson tan wrote: >>> >>>>Who are the players of a team you will choose that will play against the team of >>>>computers consist of hydra, shredder, fritz, junior. hiarcs, rebel and chess >>>>tiger? >>>> >>>> >>>>I would choose, kramnik, leko, anand, karpov, seirawan, ulf andersson and im >>>>still looking for the 7th player. I choose them because of their style that >>>>computers will have a hard time. karpov, seirawan and ulf andersson are "old" >>>>and they may easily get a blunder and lose energy, that's the drawback. Maybe >>>>bareev, dreev, gelfand who is solid, vallejo pons, very solid, kasparov cannot >>>>win against him. >>>> >>>> >>>>Who are the other players you would nominate? >>> >>> >>> Who is still interested in such matches? >> >>Me. But why do you say that? Because humans play with the "wrong way" or because >>the inevitable loss of human is coming with a huge speed? > > > Hi George > I pressed too fast the sent button -:) > But what I wanted to say is that I am not > interested in further matches unless top > GM's have learnt how to play vs computer > programs. I have pity on GM's not doing > this way as too much respectless people > are loughing at the unlucky GM's who of > course do understand chess many times better > than any computer program. It's still my opinion > that computers would hardly ever win a game > (even vs 2200 Elo players) if humans would > follow a do-nothing-but-do-it-well-strategy. I believe that if players (GM's or IM's) start to play with your "do-nothing-but-do-it-well" strategy will indeed have BETTER results but not so much as you think. If you put a strong GM to play against a top engine running on a top quad then nothing can prevent his loss(with the exception of the top 5-6 top human players), and if he adopts your strategy the only thing he would gain is having a big number of draws with white and few loses and wins and also with black would have a bigger number of draws than before but all the other loses. So it would have with black and white a negative record by playing passive. By playing passive as you suggest then the chances of winning with black are zero while before have been more. The same happens with white:The chances of winning are decreased. But this is not the only and perhaps the most important drawback with your strategy. Rolf Tueschen described it well before 1-2 weeks: By changing their play to something totally boring and anti-computer they lose interest on what their doing. Playing Chess even for GM's is something fun and if they start playing closed positions with lots of "ugly"=useless moves to make computer do the same and draw at the end, is not something that is fun...........
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