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Subject: Re: Who are the players you will choose to play against team computer?

Author: George Tsavdaris

Date: 15:36:23 10/20/04

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On October 20, 2004 at 14:50:53, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On October 20, 2004 at 14:23:48, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>
>>On October 20, 2004 at 13:37:52, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On October 20, 2004 at 11:08:45, emerson tan wrote:
>>>
>>>>Who are the players of a team you will choose that will play against the team of
>>>>computers consist of hydra, shredder, fritz, junior. hiarcs, rebel and chess
>>>>tiger?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I would choose, kramnik, leko, anand, karpov, seirawan, ulf andersson and im
>>>>still looking for the 7th player. I choose them because of their style that
>>>>computers will have a hard time. karpov, seirawan and ulf andersson are "old"
>>>>and they may easily get a blunder and lose energy, that's the drawback. Maybe
>>>>bareev, dreev, gelfand who is solid, vallejo pons, very solid, kasparov cannot
>>>>win against him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Who are the other players you would nominate?
>>>
>>>
>>>      Who is still interested in such matches?
>>
>>Me. But why do you say that? Because humans play with the "wrong way" or because
>>the inevitable loss of human is coming with a huge speed?
>
>
>      Hi George
>      I pressed too fast the sent button -:)
>      But what I wanted to say is that I am not
>      interested in further matches unless top
>      GM's have learnt how to play vs computer
>      programs. I have pity on GM's not doing
>      this way as too much respectless people
>      are loughing at the unlucky GM's who of
>      course do understand chess many times better
>      than any computer program. It's still my opinion
>      that computers would hardly ever win a game
>      (even vs 2200 Elo players) if humans would
>      follow a do-nothing-but-do-it-well-strategy.

 I believe that if players (GM's or IM's) start to play with your
"do-nothing-but-do-it-well" strategy will indeed have BETTER results but not so
much as you think. If you put a strong GM to play against a top engine running
on a top quad then nothing can prevent his loss(with the exception of the top
5-6 top human players), and if he adopts your strategy the only thing he would
gain is having a big number of draws with white and few loses and wins and also
with black would have a bigger number of draws than before but all the other
loses.
 So it would have with black and white a negative record by playing passive.

 By playing passive as you suggest then the chances of winning with black are
zero while before have been more. The same happens with white:The chances of
winning are decreased. But this is not the only and perhaps the most important
drawback with your strategy.
 Rolf Tueschen described it well before 1-2 weeks: By changing their play to
something totally boring and anti-computer they lose interest on what their
doing. Playing Chess even for GM's is something fun and if they start playing
closed positions with lots of "ugly"=useless moves to make computer do the same
and draw at the end, is not something that is fun...........



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