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Subject: Re: Not using tablebases helped Junior5 to win a game in mclane's tourna

Author: blass uri

Date: 10:54:58 03/28/99

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On March 28, 1999 at 13:46:49, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote:

>On March 28, 1999 at 13:30:30, blass uri wrote:
>
>>
>>On March 28, 1999 at 13:19:16, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote:
>>
>>>On March 28, 1999 at 05:46:46, blass uri wrote:
>>>
>>>>I looked in gambitsofrt forum
>>>>and I found that Junior5 won Wchess2000 in mclane's tournament
>>>>
>>>>Junior got a drawn KQP vs KQ
>>>>
>>>>8/8/6Q1/3p4/1K1k4/8/8/7q b - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Junior5 did not use tablebases and played Qe1+
>>>>
>>>>Junior5 won after a mistake of wchess2000 (Kb5)
>>>>
>>>>Tablebases tell Junior5 to play Ke3? Qg5+ Ke2 and black is losing the pawn after
>>>>Kc5.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>	That is what I call poor tablebase handling. Tablebases should never decrase
>>>playing strength when they are probed at the root. Is this a problem of Junior?
>>>or has something to do with the tablebases?
>>
>>No, it is a problem of Fritz5
>>Junior is using tablebases of Fritz5 in the ssdf games and it is not fair.
>>
>>The original Junior5 does not use tablebases.
>>
>>Uri
>
>	I do not understand the strange relationship between Junior5 and Fritz5. Could
>you please elaborate? Why does Junior use Fritz's tablebases? Is it being
>handicapped by Fritz's poor tablebase handling?

I asked the ssdf guys about this and I told them that I think that it should not
use the tablebases and Amir Ban replied that it is impossible to use the
autoplayer for Junior5 without the tablebases of Fritz5(In the Fritz5 CD).

chessbase is quilty about this strange relationship.

I believe that Junior5 is handicapped by Fritz's poor tablebase handling but I
am not sure about it because the tablebases can sometimes be productive .

Uri



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