Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 02:36:45 12/26/05
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On December 26, 2005 at 05:20:50, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 26, 2005 at 03:43:29, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On December 26, 2005 at 02:18:10, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On December 25, 2005 at 13:21:40, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>On December 25, 2005 at 11:29:42, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 25, 2005 at 09:51:14, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 24, 2005 at 10:13:52, Vikrant Malvankar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 23, 2005 at 16:36:03, Joshua Shriver wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>When is the paderborn contest? I'm really excited to see the results. Looks like >>>>>>>>it's going to be exciting with Zappa, Rybka, Fruit battling it out :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Josh >>>>>>> >>>>>>>no Shredder? >>>>>> >>>>>>Well, Shredder 10 is not ready yet, but someone will get killed anyway by us... >>>>>> >>>>>>I think many people have too short memory...:-) >>>>>> >>>>>>we will refresh it!:-) >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ok u mean it will come last and Stefen has been sleeping as the new engines pop >>>>>>>out. >>>>>> >>>>>>We are not sleeping, but working...after 3 years domination we need to change >>>>>>several things... >>>>> >>>>>You know that 100 elo improvement is not enough to dominate again and maybe even >>>>>150 elo is not enough to be better than rybka1.2. >>>> >>>>yes >>>> >>>>> >>>>>I doubt if shredder can go back to dominate. >>>> >>>>I do not. >>> >>>I wonder what is the source for your confidence when you cannot know what the >>>opponents are going to do. >> >>Well, I have been in this field since many years and I can get experimental >>versions too. >>I also know what Stefan can do if he wants. Now he is forced to make such >>improvements otherwise he will have to stop making chess programs. > >Not exactly. > >I see commercial programs that are not the best like ktulu so he can still >continue to improve shredder and sell it without being the best. > >He may not be able to live only from selling shredder but it does not mean that >he will have to stop improving it but only that he will not be able to work on >it in full time job. OK, but since he wants he has to make it...looking the latest version I got I do believe he will make it... > >>He is a very clever programmer as being able to redesign part or the whole >>program to make it better if he wants. Some programmers are somehow "slaves" of >>their system and cannot make something really better...he is not. > >I am sure that fabien and Vasik are also very clever. I never said they are not, but now is Stefan who has to recover...previously the others were. > >> >>> >>>I am sure stefan plan to try to dominate but I think that you cannot have >>>confidence that he is going to be number 1 again. >> >>Shredder has been improved already a lot, but not as much we want, so we will >>work on it hard still...there are several things to change/improve. >> >>> >>>My opinion is that both rybka and fruit seem to have better chances for first >>>place and it is clear that rybka1.2 is not the end of rybka improvements and the >>>author may release new version at the time of the release of shredder10 if he >>>finds that shredder10 is better. >> >>Well, my expectation is that they will improve about 50 points in the near >>future, so we need to improve Shredder at least 150 points. > >It is possible that you simply underestimate the opponents and I am not going to >be surprised if they are going to improve by 100 elo. > >Rybka1.2 is supposed to be 50 elo better than Rybka1.0 and is going to be >released in february 2006 based on vasik and Rybka1.2 may be improved in 2006 so >if I see 100 elo improvement in the middle of 2006 relative to rybka of today I >am not going to be surprised. Well, Shredder 10 is planned in March 2006, so about a month later that Rybka 1.2 Of course Shredder 10 will not be the last one...but just and intermediate Shredder product...maybe they all will be close in strenght...we will see... > >Uri Sandro
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