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Subject: Re: Zappa Hardware Upgrade

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 02:36:45 12/26/05

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On December 26, 2005 at 05:20:50, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 26, 2005 at 03:43:29, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>>On December 26, 2005 at 02:18:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On December 25, 2005 at 13:21:40, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 25, 2005 at 11:29:42, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 25, 2005 at 09:51:14, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 24, 2005 at 10:13:52, Vikrant Malvankar wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 23, 2005 at 16:36:03, Joshua Shriver wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When is the paderborn contest? I'm really excited to see the results. Looks like
>>>>>>>>it's going to be exciting with Zappa, Rybka, Fruit battling it out :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>no Shredder?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, Shredder 10 is not ready yet, but someone will get killed anyway by us...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think many people have too short memory...:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>we will refresh it!:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ok u mean it will come last and Stefen has been sleeping as the new engines pop
>>>>>>>out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We are not sleeping, but working...after 3 years domination we need to change
>>>>>>several things...
>>>>>
>>>>>You know that 100 elo improvement is not enough to dominate again and maybe even
>>>>>150 elo is not enough to be better than rybka1.2.
>>>>
>>>>yes
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt if shredder can go back to dominate.
>>>>
>>>>I do not.
>>>
>>>I wonder what is the source for your confidence when you cannot know what the
>>>opponents are going to do.
>>
>>Well, I have been in this field since many years and I can get experimental
>>versions too.
>>I also know what Stefan can do if he wants. Now he is forced to make such
>>improvements otherwise he will have to stop making chess programs.
>
>Not exactly.
>
>I see commercial programs that are not the best like ktulu so he can still
>continue to improve shredder and sell it without being the best.
>
>He may not be able to live only from selling shredder but it does not mean that
>he will have to stop improving it but only that he will not be able to work on
>it in full time job.

OK, but since he wants he has to make it...looking the latest version I got I do
believe he will make it...

>
>>He is a very clever programmer as being able to redesign part or the whole
>>program to make it better if he wants. Some programmers are somehow "slaves" of
>>their system and cannot make something really better...he is not.
>
>I am sure that fabien and Vasik are also very clever.

I never said they are not, but now is Stefan who has to recover...previously the
others were.

>
>>
>>>
>>>I am sure stefan plan to try to dominate but I think that you cannot have
>>>confidence that he is going to be number 1 again.
>>
>>Shredder has been improved already a lot, but not as much we want, so we will
>>work on it hard still...there are several things to change/improve.
>>
>>>
>>>My opinion is that both rybka and fruit seem to have better chances for first
>>>place and it is clear that rybka1.2 is not the end of rybka improvements and the
>>>author may release new version at the time of the release of shredder10 if he
>>>finds that shredder10 is better.
>>
>>Well, my expectation is that they will improve about 50 points in the near
>>future, so we need to improve Shredder at least 150 points.
>
>It is possible that you simply underestimate the opponents and I am not going to
>be surprised if they are going to improve by 100 elo.
>
>Rybka1.2 is supposed to be 50 elo better than Rybka1.0 and is going to be
>released in february 2006 based on vasik and Rybka1.2 may be improved in 2006 so
>if I see 100 elo improvement in the middle of 2006 relative to rybka of today I
>am not going to be surprised.

Well, Shredder 10 is planned in March 2006, so about a month later that Rybka
1.2
Of course Shredder 10 will not be the last one...but just and intermediate
Shredder product...maybe they all will be close in strenght...we will see...

>
>Uri

Sandro



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