Author: Uri Blass
Date: 02:20:50 12/26/05
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On December 26, 2005 at 03:43:29, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On December 26, 2005 at 02:18:10, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On December 25, 2005 at 13:21:40, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>On December 25, 2005 at 11:29:42, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On December 25, 2005 at 09:51:14, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 24, 2005 at 10:13:52, Vikrant Malvankar wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 23, 2005 at 16:36:03, Joshua Shriver wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>When is the paderborn contest? I'm really excited to see the results. Looks like >>>>>>>it's going to be exciting with Zappa, Rybka, Fruit battling it out :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Josh >>>>>> >>>>>>no Shredder? >>>>> >>>>>Well, Shredder 10 is not ready yet, but someone will get killed anyway by us... >>>>> >>>>>I think many people have too short memory...:-) >>>>> >>>>>we will refresh it!:-) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Ok u mean it will come last and Stefen has been sleeping as the new engines pop >>>>>>out. >>>>> >>>>>We are not sleeping, but working...after 3 years domination we need to change >>>>>several things... >>>> >>>>You know that 100 elo improvement is not enough to dominate again and maybe even >>>>150 elo is not enough to be better than rybka1.2. >>> >>>yes >>> >>>> >>>>I doubt if shredder can go back to dominate. >>> >>>I do not. >> >>I wonder what is the source for your confidence when you cannot know what the >>opponents are going to do. > >Well, I have been in this field since many years and I can get experimental >versions too. >I also know what Stefan can do if he wants. Now he is forced to make such >improvements otherwise he will have to stop making chess programs. Not exactly. I see commercial programs that are not the best like ktulu so he can still continue to improve shredder and sell it without being the best. He may not be able to live only from selling shredder but it does not mean that he will have to stop improving it but only that he will not be able to work on it in full time job. >He is a very clever programmer as being able to redesign part or the whole >program to make it better if he wants. Some programmers are somehow "slaves" of >their system and cannot make something really better...he is not. I am sure that fabien and Vasik are also very clever. > >> >>I am sure stefan plan to try to dominate but I think that you cannot have >>confidence that he is going to be number 1 again. > >Shredder has been improved already a lot, but not as much we want, so we will >work on it hard still...there are several things to change/improve. > >> >>My opinion is that both rybka and fruit seem to have better chances for first >>place and it is clear that rybka1.2 is not the end of rybka improvements and the >>author may release new version at the time of the release of shredder10 if he >>finds that shredder10 is better. > >Well, my expectation is that they will improve about 50 points in the near >future, so we need to improve Shredder at least 150 points. It is possible that you simply underestimate the opponents and I am not going to be surprised if they are going to improve by 100 elo. Rybka1.2 is supposed to be 50 elo better than Rybka1.0 and is going to be released in february 2006 based on vasik and Rybka1.2 may be improved in 2006 so if I see 100 elo improvement in the middle of 2006 relative to rybka of today I am not going to be surprised. Uri
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