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Subject: Re: comp vs comp or comp vs human ... but why not comp vs cc players?

Author: blass uri

Date: 05:46:17 04/27/99

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On April 27, 1999 at 05:20:00, Harald Faber wrote:

>On April 26, 1999 at 11:36:16, blass uri wrote:
>
>> >>>Allow the cc player to check his ideas with a program and he will crush the
>>>>>opponent program.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not so sure. Maybe if the cc player have an ICCF-ELO >2500 but not
>>>>otherwise.
>>>
>>>I am sure 2200-2300 is enough.
>>
>>I  do not agree about it.
>>
>>2200-2300 correspondence rating players have good pracrical chances to win but
>>the computer also has a good chance to win.
>
>May depend on the tie control.
>
>>Remember that the cc players sleep,eat when the computer can concentrate in the
>>position for many hours without getting tired.
>>
>>The computer may find a good move that the cc player missed because (s)he did
>>not give the computer enough hours to analyze the position.
>>Uri
>
>That would be playing comp-comp. I assume the cc player developping ideas and
>plans on his own and only CHECKING them with a program for tactical holes.
>In this issue humans ARE better than programs.

There can be a tactical hole that the programs need hours to see and  the human
may miss it if (s)he prefers to check with the computer many positions and
cannot concentrate with it only at the root of the tree.

Junior4.6 won a correspondence game in the 1/2 final of the correspondence
championship of Israel because of a tactical mistake of the opponent that
computers needs a long time to avoid.

The opponent told me that he used a computer to help him.

The opponent is not a  weak correspondence player.
He is playing in the final of a previous correspondence championship of Israel

Uri



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