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Subject: Re: My Rationale

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:03:22 06/07/99

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On June 07, 1999 at 15:37:44, Paul Richards wrote:

>On June 07, 1999 at 13:46:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>I don't disagree at all.  I would personally vote for such a proposal in an
>>instant.  If you want to be anonymous, you can read, but not write.  If you
>>want to write, you have to come out from under the rock where everyone can see
>>you and where you can be held accountable for what you write.
>
>Actually my idea was that anonymity for reading be prohibited also,
>otherwise the playing field is not level.  But it's very difficult to
>generate a truly "approved list" of people without killing traffic to
>the site, which is not in anyone's interest.
>
>>The only ones that will have problems with that are the ones that want to
>>stay hidden, of course.  But I won't object to simply adding hotmail.com to
>>the hosts.deny file (among lots of others, of course, and I would do >t-online.de if it were my host.  :)  )
>
>Well I use Hotmail myself, but I could rattle off a dozen others I could
>use at the drop of a hat.  T-online.de is the host of the Mr. Faber, who
>suggested this whole thing. :))))  And Mr. Singleton resides on that
>ultimate haven of abuse, AOL.  Free != abuse.


If you use hotmail.com, you are _already_ in trouble and don't even know it.
Over 50% of the sendmail relay sites around the world are _killing_ your email
messages.  Because hotmail.com is on every SPAM blacklist I know of.  And now
folks are using sendmail clients that check the various blacklists before
accepting email from the sender.

I ran into this because UAB.EDU is also on all the blacklists, because our
main campus email server had a sendmail client with open-relay allowed, and
spammers were using us as a third-party to forward SPAM but make it look like
it came from us since they were already blocked.

I got wind of this trying to communicate with a friend of mine in Portland,
where his company sendmail was quietly dropping my email to him into a toilet
because of the blacklist.

You are doomed to a shrinking view of the internet if you use hotmail or any
other anonymous email provider.  And I'll bet you didn't know?  :(



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