Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 02:34:20 07/23/99
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On July 23, 1999 at 05:14:22, Roger D Davis wrote: >On July 23, 1999 at 04:28:50, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >> >>On July 23, 1999 at 02:42:34, hgkjhg wrote: >> >>>you said Fernando's post was offensive, but even Bruce said it wasn't. He just >>>didn't find it interesting; so he decided it took too much space here. Fernando >>>also referred that if someone posted a stupid message, than everyone should just >>>ignore it, that would be a proof that his message is really inappropriate. And >>>i don't see anything wrong with Fernando's message at all. Bruce said that >>>messages with subjects like fuck u should be deleted right away, but this >>>message had nothing similar to that. I find it more offensive to just erase a >>>message in your face. And you can't always talk about mtd and other stuff like >>>that here - many people here don't even know how to play chess. >>>There must be really something wrong with u if u find it cool to just sit all >>>night long here and delete someone's messages. You would've probably deleted >>>his message if he wrote how much he regretted JFK's death. When i stay up on >>>the internet all night, i find it more amusing to visit adult sites, than bug >>>someone. I wanted to say so much more, but it's so late that i forgot what to >>>say. >> >>I'm not sure where you got these ideas. >> >>When I saw Fernando's post it was immediately obvious that if I left it, the >>next morning there would be at least one email from a member complaining about >>the post. The complaint would suggest that that kind of post didn't belong in >>the group. It would ask that the post be deleted. It would express confusion >>as to why anyone would think that such a post belonged here. And this person >>might reply to the post, expressing similar sentiments in the group, etc. >> >>I don't think that it is too strict to say that CCC shouldn't become the dirty >>joke forum, is it? >> >>bruce > >I think perhaps people can disagree intelligently about deleting Fernando's post >without agreeing that CCC should become a dirty joke forum. > >As I noted in a reply to KarinsDad, the issue is how it was done, not the post >itself. > >If it was obvious that there would have been complaints, then IMHO, you should >have left it. Then you could have argued that the post needed to be brought to >the attention of the CCC forum at large, since people are complaining, and >because CCC has heretofore lacked a mechanism whereby moderators moderate each >other. This is a ridiculous assertion. If it was obvious that complaints would occur, the best thing to do is get rid of the damn thing before they occur. It's a moderator's fiduciary duty to delete such a post ASAP. There's a perfectly good mechanism whereby moderators moderate each other, and Bruce used it. That Fernando got all bent out of shape about it is tough luck. >If you had asked what the group wanted to do, the group would have come to some >consensus, and that consensus might well have reigned in the rogue moderator, or >not. Fernando might still have resighed. Either way, the result would not have >been your action and not your responsibility, but that of the group. You would >have been applauded for your democratic principles, and there would have been no >appearance of presumptuousness. We voted for representatives so that we could be a direct democracy anyway? Please. >My position is that the content of Fernando's post is irrelevant, since CCC >lacked (and still lacks) an explicit mechanism whereby the moderators can >moderate themselves in a principled way in which personal popularity can never >play a role (with this last sentence, I'm trying to make an abstract point, >here, not point a finger, by the way). I disagree with the first sentence, see above. >Now, however, it appears that we have two moderators instead of three, and you >and KarinsDad have more work to do, and we still need an explicit mechanism >whereby the moderators can moderate themselves without any appearance of an >abuse of power. > >Roger Dave
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