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Subject: Re: Pawn Majorities : some working examples...

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 00:28:06 09/21/99

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On September 20, 1999 at 15:04:36, KarinsDad wrote:

>On September 20, 1999 at 14:42:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>    8  |   |   |   |   |   |   | *K|   |
>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>    7  | *P| *P|   |   |   | *P| *P| *P|
>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>    6  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>    5  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>    4  |   |   |   |   |   | *B|   |   |
>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>    3  |   |   |   |   |   |   | N |   |
>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>    2  | P | P | P |   |   | P | P | K |
>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>    1  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>         a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h
>>
>>This is the position prior to the last one.  I (as black) played Bxg3.  Old
>>crafty promptly plays Kxg3 and now it has to watch out for the passed black
>>pawn on the h file (eventually).  new crafty plays fxg3 and black isn't going
>>to make any passer.
>>
>
>Looks impressive Robert.
>
>One question: How does this specific example work with rooks left on the board?
>Having a position low in the graph of this example does not have a problem due
>to the normal search preventing king threats and mate. However, if this pawn
>evaluation is done 18 ply down, I could see a potential problem such as:
>
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    8  |   |   |   |   |   |   | *K|   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    7  | *P| *P|   |   | R | *P| *P|   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    6  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   | *P|
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    5  |   |   |   | *R|   |   |   |   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    4  |   |   |   |   |   | *B|   |   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    3  |   |   |   |   |   |   | N |   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    2  | P | P | P |   | R | P | P | K |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    1  |   |   |   | *R|   |   |   |   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>         a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h
>
>Bxg3, fxg3 Rh5++


Oh oh! The immediate Rh5++ improves, but we understand the point you want to
make.


>
>Do you have other code which forces you to check for king safety a few ply below
>the pawn evalutation or do you just realize that event horizon is a problem
>regardless and that if you are 18 ply down, there may be an alternative before
>the actual position gets there anyway?
>
>KarinsDad :)



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