Author: Harald Faber
Date: 22:39:46 10/28/99
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On October 28, 1999 at 12:22:06, Christophe Theron wrote: >On October 28, 1999 at 09:44:11, Harald Faber wrote: > >>I have also seen many outstanding results for Tiger, but I can only remember >>G/60. Give me (outstanding) results of tournament games on (almost) equal >>hardware and I will take back all I said and claim the opposite. :-) > >You are right. Some of the outstanding results published here were not on equal >hardware. In fact Tiger had the SLOWEST hardware (remember Enrique's results?) >but managed to win. That's unfair! I am sure in 60/60 Nimzo7.32 e.g. would also be able to win against MCP8 on 30-50% slower hardware. >I know you are going to find a way out, but anyway: > >latest result is from Thorsten. It's Tiger 12.0 against Fritz6, on 2 K6-400 >computer, games are 40/120 (is it ok for you?) > >Tiger 12.0 - Fritz 6: +4 =3 -1 > >What? Games are not long enough? Hardware is outdated? What excuse are you going >to find? I never find excuses like that, it is T. who does, e.g. as he mentioned MY hardware (K6-200) was outdated. >Thorsten has received Fritz6 recently, so it is physically impossible that he >biases the result: I have received the games "live" so he would have no time to >play extra games and select only Tiger's wins, and it is possible to check the >moves played by both side. > >You have explicitely implied that Thorsten was not honest in his testings, which >is definitely a personal attack to somebody that has not even taken part to the >discussion. > >For your information, Thorsten has not always given superior results to Tiger. >For example he was not that enthousiastic with previous versions (11.7-11.9). > >If you imply that Thorsten's results are not honest, be prepared to face the >reaction of several other testers that have EXACTLY the same results. I am still waiting. Where are they? IIRC Enrique played 60/60. >It is very easy for you to just sit, relax, and critize when other people spend >days and night doing real tests. > >Have you seen Enrique's results, playing Tiger on INFERIOR hardware? Are you >trying to make us believe that the result would be completely different if the >time controls were longer? I don't know if completely different, but different. >That's a classical strategy: if your favorite program does not do well, just >argue that it would do better at longer time controls. My FAVOURITE program is not Fritz5.32/6 so you are assuming the wrong intention. >I pretend that I accept results of Tiger AT ANY TIME CONTROLS ON ANY COMPUTER, >given that both opponents have the same hardware and time controls. You can even >play on one computer with PB OFF. Which programmer is ready to accept this >challenge? Bob has given up for example. You are ready to, but who takes this? >What is the purpose of your allegations exactly? Defend the last minutes of the >ChessBase autoplayer supremacy? > >Good luck. Sometimes you should read my other posts not concerning Tiger. I already stated what I think of the CB-autoplayer. > > Christophe
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