Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 09:22:06 10/28/99
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On October 28, 1999 at 09:44:11, Harald Faber wrote:
>I have also seen many outstanding results for Tiger, but I can only remember
>G/60. Give me (outstanding) results of tournament games on (almost) equal
>hardware and I will take back all I said and claim the opposite. :-)
You are right. Some of the outstanding results published here were not on equal
hardware. In fact Tiger had the SLOWEST hardware (remember Enrique's results?)
but managed to win. That's unfair!
I know you are going to find a way out, but anyway:
latest result is from Thorsten. It's Tiger 12.0 against Fritz6, on 2 K6-400
computer, games are 40/120 (is it ok for you?)
Tiger 12.0 - Fritz 6: +4 =3 -1
What? Games are not long enough? Hardware is outdated? What excuse are you going
to find?
Thorsten has received Fritz6 recently, so it is physically impossible that he
biases the result: I have received the games "live" so he would have no time to
play extra games and select only Tiger's wins, and it is possible to check the
moves played by both side.
You have explicitely implied that Thorsten was not honest in his testings, which
is definitely a personal attack to somebody that has not even taken part to the
discussion.
For your information, Thorsten has not always given superior results to Tiger.
For example he was not that enthousiastic with previous versions (11.7-11.9).
If you imply that Thorsten's results are not honest, be prepared to face the
reaction of several other testers that have EXACTLY the same results.
It is very easy for you to just sit, relax, and critize when other people spend
days and night doing real tests.
Have you seen Enrique's results, playing Tiger on INFERIOR hardware? Are you
trying to make us believe that the result would be completely different if the
time controls were longer?
That's a classical strategy: if your favorite program does not do well, just
argue that it would do better at longer time controls.
I pretend that I accept results of Tiger AT ANY TIME CONTROLS ON ANY COMPUTER,
given that both opponents have the same hardware and time controls. You can even
play on one computer with PB OFF. Which programmer is ready to accept this
challenge? Bob has given up for example.
What is the purpose of your allegations exactly? Defend the last minutes of the
ChessBase autoplayer supremacy?
Good luck.
Christophe
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