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Subject: Re: SSDF Rating Irregularities

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:34:56 12/14/99

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On December 14, 1999 at 06:03:57, Ed Schröder wrote:

>>Posted by Robert Hyatt on December 13, 1999 at 22:32:01:
>>
>
>>Here is one game I had an opportunity to watch this afternoon.  What stands
>>out is white playing Nxg6, opening the h-file, then following that with o-o
>>and castling into a bristling attack.  And then making it easy for black to
>>fully open the h-file a couple of moves later.  This was a slowish game (2
>>minutes on the clock, 12 second increment, played on FICS).  I think you will
>>agree that we don't normally see 2000 players take on a computer like this and
>>have the computer 'self-attack'.
>>
>>There are other things that also need attention, but since I am not getting
>>paid, this will be my sole voluntary contribution to the "tiger development
>>effort."  :)
>
>Thanks, hope you make that a habit :-)
>
>
>>Bob
>>
>>[Event "FICS 2 12 game"]
>>[Site "?"]
>>[Date "1999.12.13"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "chesspartner"]
>>[WhiteElo "2295"]
>>[Black "ceb"]
>>[BlackElo "1922"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>
>>1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. Bc4
>>e6 7. N1e2 Nd7 8. Nf4 Ngf6 9. Bb3 Bd6 10. c3 Qc7 11. Nxg6 hxg6
>>12. O-O O-O-O 13. Qf3 Rh7 14. Bg5 Rdh8 15. h3 Qa5 16. Bf4 Bxf4
>>17. Qxf4 g5 18. Qf3 g4 19. hxg4 Qg5 20. Rfb1 Nxg4 21. Bxe6 fxe6
>>22. Qf7 Qh6 23. Kf1 g6 24. Qxh7 Qxh7 25. b3 Qf7 26. Rb2 Ne3+
>>27. Ke2 Nxg2 28. Rf1 Nf4+ 29. Kd1 Nd5 30. c4 Nc3+ 31. Kd2 Qf3
>>32. Rc2 Ne4+ 33. Nxe4 Qxe4 34. Kc1 Qxd4 35. Rd1 Qa1+ 36. Kd2
>>Qd4+ 37. Kc1 Qf4+ 38. Kb1 Rh2 39. Rcd2 Ne5 40. Rc2 Qe4 41. Rf1
>>Rh1 42. Rxh1 Qxh1+ 43. Kb2 Nd3+ 44. Kc3 Qf3 45. b4 Ne1+ 46. Kb2
>>Nxc2 47. Kxc2 Qxf2+ 48. Kc3 c5 49. bxc5 Qxc5 50. Kd3 Kd7 51. Kc3
>>Kd6 52. Kd3 b5 53. cxb5 Qxb5+ 54. Ke3 Qc4 55. a3 Ke5 56. Kf3
>>Qd4 57. a4 Qxa4 58. Ke3 Qa3+ 59. Kf2 Qd3 60. Ke1 Qc2 61. Kf1
>>Kf4 62. Ke1 Kf3 63. Kf1 Qf2# 0-1
>>
>>I didn't look at the eentire game, but Crafty strongly disagrees with Nxg6
>>and then after that, even more strongly disagrees with O-O.
>
>Rebel-Tiger changes after 7 seconds to the better 12.Qf3. I also think
>that 15.h4 is a much better way to defend as it will be hard for black
>to open the h-file then.
>
>Those blitz games :-)
>
>Ed

I have said this _many_ times in the past.  A chess server is a very _hostile_
place to play chess.  If you can survive there, you have a pretty well-debugged
program.

In the case of move 12, I would be concerned that my program would castle
kingside at _any_ shallow depth...  because players like dlugy, Roman, Kaidanov,
etc will roll you into a small ball at 1 0 or 2 0 if they catch you doing that.

It seems to be a minor positional misunderstanding, IMHO.  When Crafty castles,
I ask this:  I just castled kingside.  What is my king safety score?  What
would be the king-safety score if I castled queen-side?  What would be the king-
safety score if I stay in the center.  If the other two possible king positions
look safer than where I am, I penalize the current score by an amount
proportional to the difference of these scores.  This prevents castling
king-side, into a shaggy king position, when I might be able to castle queen-
side later.  Hsu implemented this into deep blue 2 as well.  I did it like this
because that is how I play as a human.  I will only castle into a mess if I
don't have time to castle queen-side, and if I get into tactical trouble in the
center by staying there...



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