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Subject: Re: Poll Question ? { Dream Match }

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:49:08 01/08/00

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On January 08, 2000 at 12:19:00, Graham Laight wrote:

>On January 07, 2000 at 12:40:09, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>What exactly was done about "getting it right" as you say? To my knowledge
>>nothing.
>
>I don't really know, but I assume that they have kept learning, and kept on
>applying what they have learned, over the years.
>
>>There is no conversion scale. I readily accept that the Fidelity Par Excellence
>>is 1835 as this was backed up by testing against human players, but the rest is
>>pure extrapolation. Here is how Chess Tiger's 2696 (-30 to get the FIDE rating
>>of course) was achieved (very roughly as there were more computers involved but
>>the system is the same):
>>
>>Mephisto MM4 beat the Par Excellence (1835) 12.5-7.5 and was thus rated 1904.
>>Mephisto Roma 68000 beat the MM4 (1904) 19-9 and was thus rated 1970.
>>Fidelity Mach III beat the Roma 68000 (1970) 139.5-96.5 and was thus rated 1993.
>>Mephisto Lyon 68020 beat the Mach III (1993) 19-8 and was thus rated 2150.
>>Fritz 3 on a 486/66 beat the Lyon (2150) 13-7 and was thus rated 2257.
>>Genius 2.0 on a 486/66 beat Fritz3 (2257) 12-9 and was thus rated 2336.
>>Hiarcs 4 on a P90 beat Genius 2.0 (2336) 11-9 and was thus rated 2392.
>>
>>[Note that no humans have anything to do with this]
>>
>>Rebel 8.0 on a P90 beat Hiarcs 4 (2392) 11.5-8.5 and was thus rated 2438.
>>Mchess Pro 8.0 on a P200MMX beat Rebel 8.0 (2438) 12-8 and was thus rated 2492.
>>Junior 5 on a P200MMX beat MCPro 8.0 (2492) 14.5-9.5 and was thus rated 2542.
>>Chess Tiger 12 on a K6-2/450 beat Junior 5 (2542) 31.5-14.5 and was thus rated
>>2696.
>>
>>Conclusion:
>>
>>We can now confidently say Chess Tiger 12 is about 2666 FIDE (minus the 30
>>extraneous points so kindly admitted by the SSDF), which is a little stronger
>>than Victor Korchnoi, Judit Polgar, Yasser Seirawan, and World FIDE champion
>>Alexander Khalifman, and just a few points shy of Peter Svidler, Nigel Short,
>>Boris Gelfand and Anatoly Karpov, BECAUSE:
>>
>>it beat Junior 5 which beat Mchess Pro 8 which beat Rebel 8.0 which beat Hiarcs
>>4.0 which beat Genius 2.0 which beat Fritz 3 which beat the Mephisto Lyon 68020
>>which beat the Fidelity Mach III which beat the Mephisto Roma 68000 which beat
>>the mephisto MM4 which beat the Fidelity Par Excellence which was rated 1835
>>back in 1989!
>>
>>Yes!!!!
>>I see it now!
>>It is all so clear!
>>Enlightenment!!!!!
>>
>>                                     Albert Silver
>
>I have to admit that this is a brilliantly funny post. Nice one! Thanks.
>
>However, IMHO, (which is, as you know, VERY humble), it is stronger in humour
>than it is in substance.
>
>If it is true that SSDF ratings for a computer (or program) are done on the
>basis of playing just one other computer, then without hesitation I will throw
>my towell in and switch to the other side of this debate.
>


the ratings are computed by _only_ using computer vs computer games.  Different
computers, different programs, _no_ humans.  Which is why their ratings have
nothing to do with FIDE ratings, other than the fact that they use the numbers
0-9.  They don't compute the ratings using the Elo formula.  They don't have
any human ratings in the group...




>I assume that, in reality, the ratings are done by playing a variety of other
>computers. Furthermore, postings by SSDF members (and notes on the SSDF web
>site) imply that periodically the SSDF will check that the ratings are sensible
>in terms of Swedish Elo and other Elo ratings.


They have stated clearly that they did something 8 years ago to adjust the
ratings somehow, but nothing since.  8 years without a human vs computer game
of any kind...  which explains why SSDF and FIDE ratings have no conversion
formula.




>
>But thanks again for what was clearly a challenging and thought provoking post.
>
>-g



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