Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 16:09:57 01/11/00
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On January 11, 2000 at 18:17:53, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On January 11, 2000 at 17:21:16, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>Please read what has been >>written by Hsu! He mentions nothing about Kasparov, only mentions >>a manager and Hsu doesn't mention what amount of $$$$$$ >>he offered to Kasparov. I don't see *any* line even that he offered >>money. >> >>Hsu also mentions he doesn't have money at all to finance the project. >> >>Looks to me like a man without a purse is trying to get a match going >>between kasparov and something non-existance. > >Looks to me like someone without the financial resources, but with an >unmatchable reputation, has tried to get Kasparov to commit to a match >so that he _can_ get funding to develop the chip again. Kasparov agreed >to play Deep Blue long before they signed on the dotted line with an agreed- >on prize fund. But there is _nothing_ to prevent him from saying "Sure, I >will play your box, if the prize fund can reach $1,000,000.00 or some such >figure". And I think that is what Hsu was asking for, for him to commit to >play, if the prize requirement can be met and Hsu can get funding to build >a new machine. > > > > > >> >>Now i don't blame Hsu for trying this, but let's look a bit commercial >>to this whole project: what investor is so stupid to invest in something >>that's not gonna give him back his money? Especially he doesn't need to >>do it for the PR. IBM took the PR already in 1997, who cares now about >>chess? Chess was already solved in 1997! > >Anybody besides IBM would jump at the chance. Hsu certainly doesn't need >multiple millions of dollars. US Companies are quite willing to pay millions >for a one minute superbowl commercial. IBM got _far_ more publicity for their >investment than a one minute superbowl commercial gives. I'd bet that a large >company like Intel, Compaq, etc. would jump at the chance, _IF_ Kasparov would >commit to play. > This is not how Amir describes it after phoning to Kasparov. He describes that Hsu hardly did effort. If Kasparov is wrong in this, then Hsu only needs to fine a small scanner and put those things on his homepage. >>Kasparovs manager probably isn't that dumb either. If he says yes for the >>same money Kasparov plays that match for 1$, as mr.Hsu didn't manage to get >>sponsors at all. >> >>So in short Hsu needs to give either more insight in what he has written >>to Kasparovs manager, and what answers he got back, before we can talk about >>what really is going on. >> >>The open letter from Hsu is simply very vague. > >It didn't seem that vague to me. It seemed to me that Kasparov was simply >not interested, which is his right. Otherwise he could have said "Sure, if >you can guarantee the loser .5 million and the winner 1.0 million)." Or >whatever figure he wanted to name. If he really wanted to not play, he could >have demanded 10 million, which would be very unlikely. Instead, Hsu got a >"not interested". Obviously Kasparov is gonna ask something between 800k dollar and 2M dollar as price fund. I remember that Kasparov always has said: "i want to play for the world title, if a match gets treated like a world title match". For me that means 2 things - a match over a lot of games 40 in 2 level with restdays - a price fund of over a million $ at least. >>I'm very sure that a chessplayer who lost a match wants a revenge. It has >>always been like that in history, and Kasparov sure is no exception to that. >I totally disagree. In my old Karate days, there were a couple of guys I >had to go up against that I did _not_ want to meet again, revenge or no revenge. >Kasparov might feel the same about Deep Blue. At least it appears so... For a small karate guy that sure might be true, however Kasparov knows he's the best in the world. Recently he has PROVEN that again. Kasparov has a lot of adrenaline in his body. Perhaps too much some will say. I'm sure he will accept a challenge with the above conditions. >>Like the posting of Amir indicated Kasparov surely didn't react negative to >>a single letter exchange between his manager and Hsu. >There was not just one letter. Hsu's letter was pretty clear about that. It >might be that Kasparov's manager chose to not forward the requests. No way >to know. But Hsu claimed that several contacts were attempted. This is of course pretty easy to proof from Hsu's way. Paper can be copied and scanned. Personally when reading the Hsu letter i don't have the feeling that clear proposals were done to either side, not to mention possible contracts were sent to either side. >>On January 11, 2000 at 14:22:14, Miguel Arrospide wrote: Note that from the comment of Miguel Arrospide about Shirov-Kasparov: what everyone is thinking about that matter is that Shirov can't find the funding for a match Shirov-Kasparov, for the obvious reason that the match is not interesting for a sponsor as in the commercial world they're all thinking that Kasparov is a level too high in a match against Shirov. Note that i also find that. I don't give Shirov a penny playing Kasparov, this despite that i love the way in which Shirov plays chess.
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