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Subject: Re: Anand comment about Deep Blue

Author: Roger

Date: 20:46:45 01/11/00

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On January 11, 2000 at 23:18:02, stuart taylor wrote:

>On January 11, 2000 at 22:57:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 11, 2000 at 21:46:38, Roger wrote:
>>
>>>Excerpt from the interview:
>>>
>>>"For instance, if you were to remove the database, you can
>>>have a computer ten times faster than it is today. Ten
>>>times faster than Deep Blue, easily. If it couldn't
>>>consult its opening book, my result would improve
>>>immediately. I think most of the top twenty, thirty
>>>players could beat Beep Blue if it wasn't allowed to
>>>consult an opening database. Or, even the opening
>>>database is restricted to a certain size. What happens
>>>is, their opening database is almost 400-500 MBs of
>>>information. It has access to all the games that are
>>>played but we have to remember all that. Or, if I am
>>>allowed to have a computer with me, okay, I can't check
>>>my thoughts but I can see what was played at any given
>>>time. My result would then go up."
>>>
>>>I think he's wrong about having a computer ten time faster than Deep Blue
>>>without the opening database.
>>>
>>>Still, what to make of the comment that the top twenty or thirty players could
>>>beat Deep Blue if deprived of its open database?
>>>
>>>Roger
>>
>>
>>I would agree.  Anand is a good guy, but he doesn't know diddley about
>>computers.  Opening book does _not_ slow the program down.  I have no idea
>>where he got that.  Probably based on the idea that if a human used a book,
>>he would do a lot of page flipping and stuff..
>
>He didn't mean that!  He meaned IF it didn't have access to its database
>then-even if it be ten times as fast etc. Still---------etc.
>That's what it looks like he meaned to say.
>S.Taylor

I think you're right, Stuart. Makes more sense that way. Now, however, I'm just
as amazed as before, but in the opposite direction: How could he defeat a
computer ten times faster than Deep Blue? He seems very confident to me. Tiger
plays without an opening book, right? (perhaps it has a minimal book of a few
moves, I don't know) It seems to do okay. Now put Tiger up to Deep Blue speed.

Roger





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