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Subject: Re: DB vs Kasparov - Who won?

Author: Chris Carson

Date: 17:13:56 01/20/00

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On January 20, 2000 at 19:49:51, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On January 20, 2000 at 19:44:04, Chris Carson wrote:
>
>>On January 20, 2000 at 18:46:20, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>And if the TPR of DB was 12, then Rebel is much better.  But it's not.  You
>>>can't count old DT matches in with DB.  It does not make any sense at all.  And
>>>look at the TPR of the final incarnation of DB.  I'd say it's a tad over that
>>>range.
>>
>>DB TPR on 6 games was 2670, DB II TPR was 2872 on 6 games.
>>see: http://www.icdchess.com/ccc/message.html?90306
>>
>>Comercial programs on 400 MHZ machines and above have TPR's
>>of 2770, 2714, 2552, 2537, 2605, 2591) played over 23 games.
>>http://www.icdchess.com/ccc/message.html?89955
>>
>>Close or better than DB and  between 100 to 150 points to DBII.
>>
>>IMHO:
>>DB could not consistently beat the commercial programs on todays
>>hardware and DBII would struggle.  :)
>>>
>Considering how a single DT machine waxed the micros, I suspect the present
>programs would have a tougher time than you think.
><<

You could be right.  :)  However, DT had several failures against
the macro's on much slower hardware.  I can post those later if you
like.  DT 0.01 and 0.02 did have some very good results.  DT had
very mixed results, some impressive, some very disappointing.  :)

The DB team was smart for not letting DB/DBII in public before the
matches.  Todays commercial programs play in public and many times the
human or computer opponent has time to prepare.  IMHO:  In a real contest,
this is another advantage for the micors, if DB played a lot of games,
I think it's TPR' would fall.  Today's commercial programs already have
that reflected in their posted TPR's.  :)

BTW:  You have made some good points, both in this thread and a couple
of the other related threads.  Your point of view makes me think.  Thanks.

Best Regards,
Chris Carson



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