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Subject: Re: Can somebody post Fritz's 25 move defeat in Israel? Incredible!

Author: blass uri

Date: 00:40:01 01/29/00

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On January 28, 2000 at 18:06:06, Torstein Hall wrote:

>On January 28, 2000 at 17:57:46, Torstein Hall wrote:
>
>>On January 27, 2000 at 17:40:11, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On January 27, 2000 at 16:25:49, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 06:44:50, blass uri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 05:35:01, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 02:18:23, Shanti wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here it is :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[Event "?"]
>>>>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>>>>[Date "2000.01.21"]
>>>>>>>[Round "2"]
>>>>>>>[White "Soffer, Ram"]
>>>>>>>[Black "Fritz 6"]
>>>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>>>[ECO "A06"]
>>>>>>>[PlyCount "49"]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1. Nf3 c5 2. e3 Nf6 3. b3 d5 4. Bb2 Nc6 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. O-O e6 7. d3 Be7 8. Nbd2
>>>>>>>O-O 9. Qe2 a6 10. Bxc6 Bxc6 11. Ne5 Qc7 12. f4 b5 13. Nxc6 Qxc6 14. Nf3 Nd7 15.
>>>>>>>Ne5 Nxe5 16. fxe5 c4 17. Bd4 b4 18. Rf2 c3 19. Raf1 a5 20. Qh5 Qe8 21. Rf6 Qb5
>>>>>>>22. R1f3 Rfc8 23. Qxf7+ Kh8 24. Qxe7 Qe8 25. Rxe6 1-0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bye, Shanti
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 00:49:44, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>thanks Jouni
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Incredible! simple! instructive!   Surely there was luck in it.He just made the
>>>>>>right efforts, and it turned out very well.
>>>>>>  What were the main mistakes of computer, and what were the main anti-computer
>>>>>>moves of Ram Sofer?
>>>>>>  We see that fritz abandoned his King, but was 14...Nd7 wrong?  after that I
>>>>>>don't think it would have been easy even for a human as black, but what did he
>>>>>>do so bad before move 14?
>>>>>>   21.Rf6!! is the final blow, but wasn't it a bit of luck that such a move
>>>>>>existed?
>>>>>>  I myself wouldn't have known to have played 15.Ne5.(blocking own bishop and
>>>>>>doubling pawns etc.but maybe the opening of f-file against weakly defended king
>>>>>>with so little mobility-made it a sure thing)  Was this distinctly
>>>>>>anti-computer?
>>>>>>  Stuart Taylor.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that 20...Qe8 was the decisive mistake.
>>>>
>>>>I think its lost far earlier. How do you improve on 20...a4 21.Rf6 axb3 22.axb3
>>>>g6 ( if 22...Qe8 23.R1f3 Ra1+ 24.Kf2 and prettu soon Rh3 and bye bye black.
>>>>)23.Qh6 Ra2 24.R1f3 and its all over like in the game.
>>>
>>>after axb3 axb3 chessmaster prefers Qa6 expecting Rxf7
>>>if R1f3 Qa1+ Kf2?? Ra2
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Perhaps I was a bit fast. But I think black has it difficult if White improves
>>the line 20...a4 with 21.Rf3 If now 21...Qa6 then 22.Rh3 wins after 22...h6
>>23.Rg3 Kh8 and again 24.Rh6!
>>So if we go back to the position after 20...a4 21.Rf3 I think its difficult for
>>black improve. White just has to time his attack after black defence so no
>>"evil" checks come in from the a line. :-)
>>
>>Torstein
>
>Whoops, I mixed it up a bit as I forgot the 21..axb 22.axb in between.
>
>I think I got it right if I say it like :
>But I think black has it difficult if White improves
>>the line 20...a4 with 21.Rf3 If now 21.axb axb 22...Qa6 then 23.Rh3 wins after 23...h6 24.Rg3 Kh8 and again 25.Rf6!
>So if we go back to the position after 20...a4 21.Rf3
>[D]r4rk1/4bppp/2q1p3/3pP2Q/1p1B4/1PpPPR2/2P3PP/5RK1 b - - 0 22
>
>I think its difficult for black improve. White just has to time his attack after
>black defence so no "evil" checks come in from the a line. :-)
>
>Torstein

chessmaster6000(ss=10) cannot see a losing evaluation for black after 21.Rf3.
The main line begin with 21...axb3 22.axb3 Qc7 23.Rxf7 Qd7

It now considers h6 for a long time and may changes its mind to h6.
I do not see a win for white after h6

I gave it some hours to analyze but it could see axb3 axb3 Qc7 in a few minutes.

Uri



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