Author: Andrew Williams
Date: 02:27:21 02/09/00
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On February 09, 2000 at 03:57:11, Dan Newman wrote: >On February 08, 2000 at 20:36:01, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On February 08, 2000 at 20:33:06, John Merlino wrote: >> >>>On February 08, 2000 at 20:11:50, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>2bnN1k1/6P1/4p3/1P2N1P1/3K4/8/8/8 w - - >>> >>>Well, Chessmaster finds it "instantly".... >>> >>>1. g6 Kb7 2.Nc6 e5+ 3.Kxe5 Na5 4.Ne7++ is one example.... >>> >>>Was this supposed to be particularly difficult for chess engines? >> >>It is either difficult or easy. Some take a long time, and some solve it >>instantly. It does not look like a null move problem, so I am wondering why >>the differences. > >Here's what Shrike gets on a PIII/500. > >With null move turned on: > >10> 1086 0.96 339244 Kc3 Nb7 Ng4 Kf7 Nf6 Ke7 g8=Q Nd8 Qh7+ Nf7 > g6 >11- 1068 1.07 389401 Kc3 Nb7 Ng4 Kf7 Nf6 Ke7 g8=Q Nd8 Qh7+ Nf7 > g6 >11+ 1069 1.18 431910 Kc3 >11. 1231 1.68 729056 Kc3 Nb7 Ng4 Kf7 Nf6 Kg6 g8=Q+ Kf5 Ng7+ Kxg5 > Nh5+ Kf5 Qxc8 Nd6 >11> 1231 1.68 729074 Kc3 Nb7 Ng4 Kf7 Nf6 Kg6 g8=Q+ Kf5 Ng7+ Kxg5 > Nh5+ Kf5 Qxc8 Nd6 >12+ 1249 1.92 869672 Kc3 >12. 1270 2.80 1430798 Kc3 Bb7 g6 Be4 Ng4 Bxg6 Nf6+ Kf7 g8=Q+ Ke7 > Qxg6 Nf7 b6 Ne5 Qg7+ >12+ 1288 3.01 1554227 g6 >12> +mate4 3.17 1649275 g6 Nb7 Nc6 e5+ Kxe5 Bf5 Ne7# <Checkmate> > > >With Null-move off: > > 1. 510 0.00 2 b6 > 1> 510 0.00 23 b6 > 2. 498 0.00 40 b6 Kh7 > 2. 510 0.00 59 g6 Nb7 > 2> 510 0.00 159 g6 Nb7 > 3+ 528 0.00 185 g6 > 3. 550 0.00 229 g6 Nb7 b6 > 3+ 568 0.00 582 Nc6 > 3. 597 0.00 771 Nc6 e5+ Kxe5 Ne6 > 3> 597 0.00 1247 Nc6 e5+ Kxe5 Ne6 > 4+ 615 0.01 1788 g6 > 4. 636 0.01 2131 g6 Bb7 Nd7 e5+ Kxe5 Ne6 > 4> 636 0.03 4452 g6 Bb7 Nd7 e5+ Kxe5 Ne6 > 5+ 654 0.03 4765 g6 > 5> +mate4 0.03 6495 g6 Nb7 Nf7 e5+ Kxe5 Nc5 Nh6# <Checkmate> > >So, at least with Shrike there seems to be some sort of deleterious >null-move effect... > >-Dan. Ditto for PostModernist. Without null-move, it resolves the mate-in-4 score after 8 seconds (ply 7). With null-move, it finds g6 in less than 2 seconds, but 6 minutes later it is stuck in ply 9 and still hasn't found anything better than mate-in-6. BTW Congratulations on Shrike's performance at CCT1. I'm still recovering from the shock I got when you told me how fast it searches. :-) Andrew
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