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Subject: Re: J6 eliminats Illescas- What does Hyatt have to say?

Author: Bas Hamstra

Date: 08:33:20 02/14/00

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On February 14, 2000 at 10:49:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 14, 2000 at 09:49:53, Bas Hamstra wrote:
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>>On February 13, 2000 at 23:05:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
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>>>On February 13, 2000 at 20:57:12, Bradley Woodward wrote:
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>>>>On February 13, 2000 at 17:48:35, John Kilkenny wrote:
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>>>>>  No attack,  Just answr the question dude.  His name is brought up because he
>>>>>is the most ardent supporter of the anti comp GM campaign.  Also in the minds of
>>>>>many, he holds sway over the minds of the uneducated bretheren of chess.  We
>>>>>fight for the release of those minds :).
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>>>>I just had a look at the 'best c' list on ICC.  That's the list that shows the
>>>>top 20 human and computer players.  Out of the 20 in the blitz list, only three
>>>>are computers.  This is a big difference from a while ago.  Ferret plows in at
>>>>#2, throwing my otherwards cool point into a spin.  But you get that.
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>>>I believe that had ferret been active over the past few months, its rating
>>>would have dropped significantly as well.  I think it might be the best thing
>>>on ICC, but there are a lot of new players there, using faster and faster
>>>hardware, with strong programs.  None of us are +400 over the commercial
>>>programs, even with a fairly significant hardware advantage.  This 'advantage'
>>>is almost gone now, with the super-G lonnies has actually being faster than my
>>>quad xeon by 30% (factoring in SMP overhead).
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>>Seems to me that GMs are winning back some ground. There was a time computers
>>nearly "owned" blitz. Computers have gone a good deal faster/stronger since
>>then, but and still only 3 C's in the top 20 Blitz? In a while there will be no
>>C at all :-) And that's Blitz...
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>Shhh... do you want the 'computers are unbeatable GM players' group on your
>case too?  :)

Wouldn't bother me at all :)

But I've SEEN things they people wouldn't believe... (from "The bladerunner")

But seriously I have seen a GM tear a fast Crafty completely apart in a 5 0 game
which was *extremely* tactical. Hanging pieces everywhere, both kings unsafe and
the GM came out winning. Unbelievable. How in the world can they oversee such a
battlefield in 1 second...? If they can do *that* in a 5 0 game...


Bas Hamstra.








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>>>>My opinion is that computers rule blitz and standard games.  30/0 has been owned
>>>>by silicion for a while, and now it seems that 60/0 has fallen too.
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>>>>As a geek and a terrible chess player, I look to computers to visit revenge on
>>>>those better than me.  Call me petty and shallow - I can take it.
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>>>>Before I start telling my co-workers and friends that GMs are a doomed species,
>>>>I'll need more than a few 60/0 games.  But we're very close.  Just look at
>>>>Rebel.  It's winning some games from GMs at 40/2 - go Ed!  But it's losing quite
>>>>a few too, sometimes to mistakes and bad judgement that GMs just do not make,
>>>>and that I believe is Bob's point.
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>>>>I must add, that the 'best c' list in standard is 100% human.



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