Author: Bas Hamstra
Date: 08:33:20 02/14/00
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On February 14, 2000 at 10:49:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On February 14, 2000 at 09:49:53, Bas Hamstra wrote: > >>On February 13, 2000 at 23:05:27, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On February 13, 2000 at 20:57:12, Bradley Woodward wrote: >>> >>>>On February 13, 2000 at 17:48:35, John Kilkenny wrote: >>>> >>>>> No attack, Just answr the question dude. His name is brought up because he >>>>>is the most ardent supporter of the anti comp GM campaign. Also in the minds of >>>>>many, he holds sway over the minds of the uneducated bretheren of chess. We >>>>>fight for the release of those minds :). >>>> >>>>I just had a look at the 'best c' list on ICC. That's the list that shows the >>>>top 20 human and computer players. Out of the 20 in the blitz list, only three >>>>are computers. This is a big difference from a while ago. Ferret plows in at >>>>#2, throwing my otherwards cool point into a spin. But you get that. >>> >>> >>>I believe that had ferret been active over the past few months, its rating >>>would have dropped significantly as well. I think it might be the best thing >>>on ICC, but there are a lot of new players there, using faster and faster >>>hardware, with strong programs. None of us are +400 over the commercial >>>programs, even with a fairly significant hardware advantage. This 'advantage' >>>is almost gone now, with the super-G lonnies has actually being faster than my >>>quad xeon by 30% (factoring in SMP overhead). >> >>Seems to me that GMs are winning back some ground. There was a time computers >>nearly "owned" blitz. Computers have gone a good deal faster/stronger since >>then, but and still only 3 C's in the top 20 Blitz? In a while there will be no >>C at all :-) And that's Blitz... >> >> > > > >Shhh... do you want the 'computers are unbeatable GM players' group on your >case too? :) Wouldn't bother me at all :) But I've SEEN things they people wouldn't believe... (from "The bladerunner") But seriously I have seen a GM tear a fast Crafty completely apart in a 5 0 game which was *extremely* tactical. Hanging pieces everywhere, both kings unsafe and the GM came out winning. Unbelievable. How in the world can they oversee such a battlefield in 1 second...? If they can do *that* in a 5 0 game... Bas Hamstra. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>My opinion is that computers rule blitz and standard games. 30/0 has been owned >>>>by silicion for a while, and now it seems that 60/0 has fallen too. >>>> >>>>As a geek and a terrible chess player, I look to computers to visit revenge on >>>>those better than me. Call me petty and shallow - I can take it. >>>> >>>>Before I start telling my co-workers and friends that GMs are a doomed species, >>>>I'll need more than a few 60/0 games. But we're very close. Just look at >>>>Rebel. It's winning some games from GMs at 40/2 - go Ed! But it's losing quite >>>>a few too, sometimes to mistakes and bad judgement that GMs just do not make, >>>>and that I believe is Bob's point. >>>> >>>>I must add, that the 'best c' list in standard is 100% human.
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