Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 05:50:37 02/19/00
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On February 19, 2000 at 08:13:41, Harald Faber wrote: >On February 18, 2000 at 18:22:54, Thorsten Czub wrote: > >>On February 18, 2000 at 14:25:23, James Robertson wrote: >>>I don't know. I have seen CSTal in three tournaments; in one it finished dead >>>last among comercial programs, >> >>which program. i remember that wiesenecker made a tournament. >>but he used the wrong style. >>the same style harald first got his 0.5-9.5 loss. >>no wonder wiesenecker got weak results. > >Remember I re-played the match with 7-13. you don't get the context harald. i told james that wiesenecker played weak results BECAUSE he used similar weak style you used! 7-13 against shredder is not weak. its different from 0.5-9.5. context harald. >Shredder 13, Tal 7 gives Shredder an ELO+110 over Tal. It is common to add >another 70 pts for double speed, so Shredder would be approx. 180 pts stronger >than Tal. Do you agree? no. i do of course NOT agree. your elo is relative to the programs. it only works for the 2 programs. but what you want is to relate this elo as absolute number. this is wrong. you cannot imagine cstal to play 180 elo weaker against fritz/junior or others when using both 450 Mhz k6-3 or athlon machines. you can only say it for shredder4-cstal. >BTW when Tal gets outsearched on twice as fast hardware than Shredder played, >then thee should be some changes in the program to not get outsearched. very good harald. when mc_donalds has fast food, than they should maybe changew to better quality food ? >But loses more often than wins. However, almost all strong amateur programs can >win against the others, also commercials. >Did you notice that Tal only won one single game against Shredder in my rematch? yes. i have seen your games. >In this case wouldn't it be clever to sell Tal only to people with an AMD-K6-3? >This is the one and only argument I read from you claiming that this would solve >all problems (=make Tal perform better). We compared the speed of your K6-3 and >my Athlon, for Tal they are almost identical, so what is the reason why Tal got >only 35%? because it played against shredder harald. shredder is world chess champion. it won paderborn a few days ago. it is a strong program harald. >Hä? You are not satisfied when games are played on 2x K6-2-450 but obviously >these ARE EQUAl conditions. what is equal ? when fritz runs better on Intel, amd seems not EQUAL. all animals are equal harald. but what means equal ?? same machines is fair. but it influences the results. when joern tests on k6-3 and i do test on k6-2 we will get different results. do you see this ? i mean, can you imagine this because although the hardware was equal, it was different. >Come on Thorsten, you cannot seriously say that Tal would perform better if Tal >played vs Shredder4/Athlon500 and not vs Shredder4/K6-200 when even against >Shredder on the slow machine Tal clearly lost. Look at the games. exactly this is what i do.
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