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Subject: Re: Which is the strongest program agains Human, It is Rebel or Fritz SSS ?

Author: Fernando Villegas

Date: 08:56:31 05/11/00

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On May 11, 2000 at 09:52:56, Graham Laight wrote:

>On May 10, 2000 at 16:13:18, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>Schroeder has demonstrated so far that Rebel is the strongest program against
>>Human, is frank trying to show us that indeed that is not the case, with his
>>test Version of Fritz SSS ?
>
>Are you sure about this?
>
>I thought that Fritz was getting very good results against GMs.
>
>According to the most recent TPRs I've seen, (recent CCC posting by Chris
>Carson), Fritz 6 already had 2489 - and I think it's rating will have risen
>since then, following some great results in the last few weeks.
>
>Rebel 9 has previously achieved a TPR of 2535, but Chris doesn't list Century's
>rating.
>
>On Rebel's home page, they describe Smyslov as a "SUPER GM", but they do not
>give a TPR for the Century Vs GM series (many of these games were not at
>tournament time controls anyway).
>
>-g

Probably to answer this question the relation of the style of both computer and
human should be taken into account. My guess is that, being both F and R very
strong, they are differently dangerous to diferent kind of players, even in the
GM stratosphere. I do not believe that only expert level experience -mine- is
worth or enough to say nothing or much, but in my case I can, with some great
effort -but I can- get draws from Genius 6.5 at 40 moves in 90 minutes, but I am
sistematically busted by CSTAL II, that in theory is not as strong as Genius.
Just I can polay better with positional players, but I tend to lose track with
attackers, even knowing something is flawed in the attack. I am sure anybody
here has a similar different perfomance according the program they play. I tend
to believe that the same happens with GM players, in a degree, so for some of
them Fritz is more dangerous, for other could be Schrreder or Rebel Century.
Fernando



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