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Subject: Re: Which of the programs have the most knowledge programmed into it?

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 20:23:58 07/10/00

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On July 10, 2000 at 19:50:05, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On July 10, 2000 at 19:07:55, Terry Ripple wrote:
>
>>On July 10, 2000 at 18:55:11, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>
>>>On July 10, 2000 at 14:56:31, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 10, 2000 at 14:15:39, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I know Hiarcs7.32 is one of the most knowledge based programs, but what about
>>>>>the famous Shredder4, Rebel Century and Junior6? Where do they average on
>>>>>knowledge in comparison?
>>>>>
>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>terry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>For me the answer is easy. I know others will disagree...
>>>>
>>>>The program that knows the most about chess, and has the most relevant
>>>>knowledge, is the one that stands the highest in the rating lists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Christophe
>>>
>>>I don't think this is a very good definition, although nobody ever defines it
>>>when they ask which program has the most.  I think that what people mean when
>>>they say "knowledge" is that a program with more knowledge plays more like a
>>>strong human and less like a typical computer, since everyone would agree that a
>>>GM human typifies "knowledge".
>>>
>>>People want "knowledge" in a program because they think they can learn from
>>>seeing it expressed.  They want knowledge because they want to ask questions of
>>>something knowledgeable and get answers.
>>>
>>>This has little to do with which robot whacks the other robots.  Computers can
>>>play chess in a vacuum, if desired.  It's an interesting thing to do, and lots
>>>of people are interested in doing it.  But other people are interested in
>>>interacting with the program themselves.
>>>
>>>bruce
>>
>>Hi Bruce,
>>  You hit the nail right on the head!!!
>>I know it's easier said than done, but it would be so nice to learn chess
>>knowledge from playing chess programs as there is no better way to retain the
>>knowledge from actual experience in a game of chess. Playing one of the masters
>>in your club is far superior than reading about how to do it.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Terry
>
>Since no other program beside Deep Blue which used a Super Computer, have
>accomplished what Deep Junior is accomplishing at the moment, to compete and
>play a la par with the top 10 players in the world at tournament time control; I
>would have to say that the latest Deep Junior, not the Commecial Deep Junior,
>but whatever improvements Amir had incorparated into his latest Strategical
>monster, would be the most knowledgeable program.  Now as far as what program
>play the best against other programs it depend, Fritz 6a is on top of the SSDF,
>but Shredder is the world P.C. Chess Software Champion, using a single
>processor.
>
>Pichard.

When did Deep Blue do this?  I must have missed that tournament.

bruce




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