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Subject: Re: wrong opening preparation

Author: Christian Pike

Date: 08:05:59 08/24/00

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On August 24, 2000 at 10:47:34, Gordon Rattray wrote:

>I totally disagree.  The tournament winner should be the program that plays the
>best chess.  Playing the opening is part of a chess game!

but the opening is mostly not chosen by the program itself, but in preparation
by the advisor.

> You can't just skip
>this phase by starting with a chosen position - that's not true chess.

i would throw the opponent early out of book. not setup a special position.
but throwing them early out of book with a rare move.
then we can see how strong the engines are.
the advisors often forget that the engine has to win that game, not themselves.
and that the opponent has also a prepared opening book.

what i often see
is that both programs follow very deep lines. nobody (neither team A nor
team B ) has really control over the situation, and any strange line
comes on board. i see no sense in such a russian-roulette.
it may a good random-generator, but i would like to see
rebel or tiger win or lose their games because of the engines strength
and not because of some weir lines.

later - when i buy the programs, i buy a "strong" championship winner
that plays lousy but had a good opening-preparation ! how nice :-)))


>  A good
>chess player needs to play the opening well and this should be tested during a
>game.

this is a tournament. it has special preparation. it does not always show
strength, it often shows how clever ONE advisor is. i would not call this
strength. call it cleverness. smartness. but strength ? strength is
something that stays for longer than ONE tournament.-


>Also, it is a big part of the "computer chess challenge" for programmers to
>decide how their program should play the opening.  If someone finds a way of
>making their program play the opening better than another, this aspect should be
>taken into account, i.e. a full game of chess must be played.


but i see always tiger / rebel losing due to opening stuff.
we should dope jeroen !

>Gordon



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