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Subject: Re: Deep Blue Jr on ICC

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 12:15:11 10/20/00

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On October 20, 2000 at 09:33:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 20, 2000 at 00:13:18, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On October 19, 2000 at 21:08:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On October 19, 2000 at 16:51:49, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 18, 2000 at 09:56:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 18, 2000 at 05:44:36, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>My apologies if this is old news.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There was an account called DeepBlueJr watching Kramnik-Kasparov, game 6
>>>>>>on ICC last night. The finger notes said the owner was Murray Campbell
>>>>>>(a couple of the admins stated that it was indeed DeepBlueJr). I asked
>>>>>>him what exactly he was using and he said that it was a 24-processor
>>>>>>version attached to a R/6000. He said the processors were the same ones
>>>>>>that ran in the Deeper Blue that beat Kasparov. I asked him what NPS he
>>>>>>was getting and he said "looks like 28M" (!). I also asked him what sorts
>>>>>>of depths it was searching, but he didn't answer. Another thing he didn't
>>>>>>answer was my suggestion that he join CCT2 :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The program wasn't kibitzing automatically like crafty does, but he was
>>>>>>occasionally cutting and pasting the analysis into channel 211. This was
>>>>>>around the time that Kramnik was on top, before the win seemed to slip
>>>>>>away from him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>PS Just in case anyone was wondering, I asked him if he minded my reporting
>>>>>>this conversation here and he was quite happy for me to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I was surprised, too.  But I did chat with him a good bit and am convinced that
>>>>>it was Murray.  I will try to bug him a bit about CCT2, but I have a suspicion
>>>>>that IBM won't allow public exhibitions like that...
>>>>
>>>>Really.... Wow. When he posted that, I was convinced some joker had set up the
>>>>pseudo as a prank. (Sorry about that Andrew)
>>>>
>>>>Did you ask him about the tuning? Have they done any work on refining the eval
>>>>or is it unchanged from the time of the match? 28 million NPS... Wonder how much
>>>>that cuts in to the depths compared to its bigger brother.
>>>>
>>>>                                         Albert
>>>
>>>
>>>I didn't understand the 28M number, but my screen was so danged busy scrolling
>>>all the nerdy comments from the 1000 people observing the game, that I didn't
>>>get a chance to ask him.  24 processors at >= 2M nodes per second per processor
>>>should be 48M.  I assumed he typoed when he said 28M.
>>>
>>>It (DB Jr) was a holy terror against GMs in the many exhibitions they played
>>>prior to the final DB match.  This machine would be less than 10x slower than
>>>the real machine.  I would think it would be a handful for anybody.
>>
>>24 processors?  Hmm... 16?
>>
>>Dave
>
>
>He definitely said 24.  Of course he might have meant 16.  24 caught my eye
>as that would be three 'modules' of DB hardware.  No reason why it couldn't
>be right now, as the workstation he was using might be faster than the one
>they had when they were touring the world with DB Jr.  And a faster host would
>need more chess processors to maintain the right "balance".

I didn't realize you were quoting him; I had just been musing.

Murray will be giving a talk here (at the U of A) sometime this month or next,
but unfortunately he won't be here for long, so it's likely to be an in-and-out
affair.

Dave



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