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Subject: Re: Deep Blue Jr on ICC

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:24:34 10/20/00

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On October 20, 2000 at 15:15:11, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On October 20, 2000 at 09:33:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On October 20, 2000 at 00:13:18, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>
>>>On October 19, 2000 at 21:08:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 19, 2000 at 16:51:49, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 18, 2000 at 09:56:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 18, 2000 at 05:44:36, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My apologies if this is old news.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There was an account called DeepBlueJr watching Kramnik-Kasparov, game 6
>>>>>>>on ICC last night. The finger notes said the owner was Murray Campbell
>>>>>>>(a couple of the admins stated that it was indeed DeepBlueJr). I asked
>>>>>>>him what exactly he was using and he said that it was a 24-processor
>>>>>>>version attached to a R/6000. He said the processors were the same ones
>>>>>>>that ran in the Deeper Blue that beat Kasparov. I asked him what NPS he
>>>>>>>was getting and he said "looks like 28M" (!). I also asked him what sorts
>>>>>>>of depths it was searching, but he didn't answer. Another thing he didn't
>>>>>>>answer was my suggestion that he join CCT2 :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The program wasn't kibitzing automatically like crafty does, but he was
>>>>>>>occasionally cutting and pasting the analysis into channel 211. This was
>>>>>>>around the time that Kramnik was on top, before the win seemed to slip
>>>>>>>away from him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Andrew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>PS Just in case anyone was wondering, I asked him if he minded my reporting
>>>>>>>this conversation here and he was quite happy for me to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I was surprised, too.  But I did chat with him a good bit and am convinced that
>>>>>>it was Murray.  I will try to bug him a bit about CCT2, but I have a suspicion
>>>>>>that IBM won't allow public exhibitions like that...
>>>>>
>>>>>Really.... Wow. When he posted that, I was convinced some joker had set up the
>>>>>pseudo as a prank. (Sorry about that Andrew)
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you ask him about the tuning? Have they done any work on refining the eval
>>>>>or is it unchanged from the time of the match? 28 million NPS... Wonder how much
>>>>>that cuts in to the depths compared to its bigger brother.
>>>>>
>>>>>                                         Albert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I didn't understand the 28M number, but my screen was so danged busy scrolling
>>>>all the nerdy comments from the 1000 people observing the game, that I didn't
>>>>get a chance to ask him.  24 processors at >= 2M nodes per second per processor
>>>>should be 48M.  I assumed he typoed when he said 28M.
>>>>
>>>>It (DB Jr) was a holy terror against GMs in the many exhibitions they played
>>>>prior to the final DB match.  This machine would be less than 10x slower than
>>>>the real machine.  I would think it would be a handful for anybody.
>>>
>>>24 processors?  Hmm... 16?
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>
>>He definitely said 24.  Of course he might have meant 16.  24 caught my eye
>>as that would be three 'modules' of DB hardware.  No reason why it couldn't
>>be right now, as the workstation he was using might be faster than the one
>>they had when they were touring the world with DB Jr.  And a faster host would
>>need more chess processors to maintain the right "balance".
>
>I didn't realize you were quoting him; I had just been musing.
>
>Murray will be giving a talk here (at the U of A) sometime this month or next,
>but unfortunately he won't be here for long, so it's likely to be an in-and-out
>affair.
>
>Dave


Don't forget to ask him about DBjr's hardware, etc.  Would be interesting
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