Author: Laurence Chen
Date: 09:25:42 10/30/00
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On October 30, 2000 at 12:15:55, Osorio Meirelles wrote: >On October 30, 2000 at 09:12:34, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 30, 2000 at 07:51:33, Osorio Meirelles wrote: >> >>>Eventhough I have no analyical proof to support my statement, I am coming to the >>>conclusion than any top PC chess program could get a draw against any top >>>grandmaster as black using the Belin Wall in the Ruy Lopez ( 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 >>>3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.BxN pd7XB 7.d4Xe5 Nf5 8.QXQ+ KXQ) I list below >>>two possibilities ( the second is stronger than the first ). >>> >>> 1 -> These programs are likely to get a draw if they treat a draw as a win in >>>their evaluation. >>> >>> 2 -> These programs are very likely to get a draw if their evaluation >>>function ( material, position , pawn structure ),is adjusted specifically for >>>this opening. >>> >>>This seems to me a perfect opening for computers to play agaisnt humans. The >>>only possibility that I can see for a top computer program to go wrong is in the >>>endgame. >> >>This is not a perfect opening for computers because the target of chess is to >>win and not to get a draw. >> >>Uri > >I guess I was not specific. What I mean is that if a computer program is >playing a match in which it is winning and there are only a few games left over >to play, then one possible target is to draw the remaining games, since that >will translate into a win of the match, and I believe this opening would make a >powerfull weapon for this purpose. My main question is : does anyone believe >there might be a chance that good programs can get excelent results >with this opening against humans ? We can't forget that before this match, most >chess authors would consider white with a solid position. Does that mean that >white has good winning chances ? I can´t recall any coment of the games between >Kasparov and Kramnik, in which the main analysis point out a variation with >good oportunities for white. I seems to me that no one really knows how white >can achieve such a favorable position. For those who disgree with me, I would >be likely to hear from them,which variations for white they would recomend. >Is Kasparov missing something, or is it the opening ? I remember when I was studying the Ruy Lopez, the comment about the Berlin was a passive variation for Black and that the best result which Black could ever get was a draw, and that passive defense was required. This variation is not very good if one has to play for a win as Black. In the case of Krammik, he's happy to suffer, suffer, suffer, draw as Black. My 2 cents worth, Laurence
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