Author: pavel
Date: 01:20:41 11/09/00
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On November 09, 2000 at 04:08:33, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 09, 2000 at 03:58:47, pavel wrote: > >>On November 09, 2000 at 00:56:15, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 08, 2000 at 23:39:25, pavel wrote: >>> >>>>On November 08, 2000 at 17:34:00, Marcus Kaestner wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 08, 2000 at 07:59:09, walter irvin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>shredder 5 is not the best program , that would be deep shredder,followed by >>>>>>deep junior.a multi proccessor program is going to be the best. >>>>> >>>>>not at all. >>>>>in the chessbits-tournament rating list is deep junior (though on double-fast >>>>>hardware) not the first. see: >>>>> >>>>>shredder x 2717 (40 games) >>>>>century 3 beta 2656 (26 games) >>>>>tiger 11.9 2624 (12 games) >>>>>shredder 4s(chessbits-style) 2620 (28 games) >>>>>deep junior 6 2616 (130 games) >>>>>tiger 12 (new style) 2612 (31 games) >>>>>fritz 6 2600 (231 games) >>>>>tiger 12 2582 (120 games) >>>>>shredder 4 2581 (221 games) >>>>> >>>>>even there are not enough games for some programs you can see, that deep junior >>>>>hardly is the best. >>>>> >>>>>but i admit, that a dual-shredder 5 would have the best chances to become number >>>>>1. >>>>> >>>>>marcus >>>> >>>> I dont get this. >>>> >>>>In your earlier posts you said something like "shredder5 is far from being the >>>>best", >>>>this is based on the fact, according to you, that you have shredder5. >>>>but, in your tests shredder5 clearly seems to be more than 100elo better than >>>>fritz6, and well ahead of others. (that is if you believe your test results). >>>> >>>>i am kinda confused, do you mind clearing it up? >>>> >>>>thanks >>>>pavs. >>> >>>It is very clear. >>>Tiger13 and gambittiger are not in this list and Marcus claimed that they are >>>not worse than shredder5. >>> >>>Uri >> >>even if I consider that, ( and also rely on this list) tiger 13 has to be more >>than 100 elo better than previous version (tiger12) to be better than shredder5, >>I "seriously" doubt that. >>Not to mention I believe (not sure) I have seen it stated in the rebel webpage >>that the latest version is 40-50elo better than the previous one. and gambit >>tiger is supposed to be on the same leage. >> >>so still it's not clear.... (as to what he meant) >> >>pavel > >It is clear to me. > >I read at the rebel site that tiger13 and gambittiger are only 50-70 elo better. > >The results that I see suuport this and I asked marcus about it. > >He replied that tiger13 is really only 50-70 elo better at short time control >but the improvement is clearly bigger at longer time control. >He claims that the new tiger earns more from time than the old tiger. > >We need to wait to the ssdf to see if he is right about it. > >Uri its probably clear to the sense what marcus "wanted to say", but it is, in no way, clear that "shredder5 is far from #1" or "chess tiger is better than shredder5" even if I believe in what you say, chesstiger still has to be +100elo better than the previous version in "longer time control". But again with all "ifs" and "buts" aside, I agree with you that the only way to find out is to make SSDF play these fine engines. and really dont rely much on marcus's list... pavs
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