Author: Alvaro Rodriguez
Date: 21:55:51 11/14/00
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On November 14, 2000 at 17:30:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 14, 2000 at 14:14:22, Alvaro Rodriguez wrote: > >>On November 14, 2000 at 13:09:55, Mogens Larsen wrote: >> >>>On November 14, 2000 at 13:00:53, Alvaro Rodriguez wrote: >>> >>>>It´s a big deal because the program expects to play a human opponent and when >>>>the person who is running the (C)(in this case Rebel Tiger) analyzes the games >>>>played against humans, he will analyze this game too and import it to a database >>>>with all human opponents. So, he will get wrong results.. Allthough, it´s just >>>>one game but if everybody cheats, then the results against humans will be >>>>completly worthless. IMO >>> >>>A good point if it's important to distinguish between human and computer >>>opponents when analysing your games. However, a lost game is a lost game and >>>should analysed due to that fact alone independent of the opposition. >>> >>>I'm still of the opinion that it's rather harmless to play "advanced" chess >>>against a computer opponent compared to cheating against a human player. But >>>maybe I'm just against the idea of computer program "rights" in general :o). >>> >>>Mogens. >> >>Yes, if I had my own program to operate, I would not distinguish between humans >>and computers when analyzing the games, but I guess there is a difference. Bob >>for example, would care as he prefers to play against the GM´s on ICC and >>analyzes those games with more interest then against computers. It depends on >>who is operating, but I guess most of the operators cares wheather it´s a human >>or a computer. > >In general, on ICC, (with respect to book learning) I don't care about >silicon vs carbon. I pay attention the _rating_. And a cheater can sure >wreck this... ie he is rated 2500 but chooses to not use the computer and >plays like an 1800 as a result. Or he is 1800 but uses a computer and plays >like a 2500. If I take the ICC rating and factor that into the learning >formula, I get wrong answers. > >I also want to know I am playing a computer as I am more cautious about setting >the contempt factor. Against humans, the contempt is a function of their rating >and Crafty's current ICC rating. Against computers, contempt=0, period, as >doing anything else lets the opponent influence the game by fiddling with the >contempt. This is a reason why silicon vs carbon matters. If you set the contempt=0 believing you´re going to play a computer, but instead, the operator plays himself. Then, you get wrong results. If you play humans only on ICC, do your rating get higher then if you play only computers ? Alvaro > > > >> >> >>Advanced chess is interesting for sure, but I think you should tell your >>opponent before the game if you are about to use a program as a "coach". >>Otherwise, your opponent thinks he´s playing against a human and that is wrong >>IMO. Mogens, what do you mean when you say you are against computer program >>"rights" in general ? >> >>Alvaro
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