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Subject: Re: extremely nice game with inaccurate :-))) move 30.Nf6+!

Author: kurt

Date: 09:57:28 11/25/00

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On November 25, 2000 at 12:44:28, kurt wrote:

>On November 25, 2000 at 11:01:51, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 25, 2000 at 10:13:40, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>><snipped>
>>>Nf6 is a typical bluff move. it pushes the problem over the horizont.
>>>a horizont problem. this time a positive.
>>>+ thats the way the new paradigm programs win.
>>>
>>>they see a win or a good move. Nf6.
>>>they play it.
>>>like a human beeing directed by ideas and illusions.
>>
>>I doubt how many humans will play Nf6 in a game.
>>I believe that most of the strong players will not do it.
>>They know that they can have a positional advantage with no risk and they will
>>be afraid to sacrifice a piece if they do not see at least a forced draw.
>>
>>I believe that most humans are going to play Ng3.
>>
>>
>>>creative thinking. there is never really an accurate way to win life !
>>>but by doing something and having the initiative you often increase
>>>the chances to win. but - it is risky. if GT would have played
>>>Nf6 against (say) GOD Nf6 would only have been a nearly forced draw.
>>
>>If white can win by another move instead of Nf6+ then Nf6+ is a mistake and when
>>the opponents will get better playing this move is not going to lead to a win
>>against them.
>>
>>>but the bean counters on the other side of the board are not god.
>>>they have horizont problems too and this is the reason GT wins although
>>>it plays smashing inaccurate sacs.
>>
>>I believe that the evaluation after search should be accurate.
>>
>>My opinion is that not accurate static evaluation can be a good idea only if it
>>helps to get more accurate evaluation after search.
>>
>>When I play correspondence games I expect my opponents to be accurate and if I
>>find that Nf6+ is leading to a draw then I play another move that gives me a
>>better chances.
>>>
>>>whatever. the games are impressing IMO.
>>>
>>>If you have a program that plays accurate, it would e.g. not have played
>>>Nf6 and other moves, and it would maybe not risk anything.
>>>it would not risk something because it has computed that this risk is not
>>>working.
>>>you get a genius-program. plays boring ,  but accurate. never doing anything.
>>>waiting for a mistake of the opponent.
>>
>>I disagree.
>>
>>If there are 2 moves that are leading to a draw an accurate program can choose
>>one of them that is a sacrifice.
>>>
>>>this is one reason i do believe bob hyatt is wrong. he believes if crafty
>>>is accurate it would play better chess. i don't think so.
>>
>>I think that no program is accurate and that no program is going to be accurate.
>>
>>If crafty is going to play accurate then it is never going to lose in chess.
>>The fact that it is losing is a proof that crafty has no accurate evaluation.
>>
>>
>>>crafty would not do anything. like a human beeing sitting in his chair,
>>>completely
>>>autistic because he had considered anything in forward and have found out that
>>>life
>>>is dangerous and therefore better not move ONE step forward-.
>>>cause driving in the car is dangerous.
>>>better NOT drive. and eating is dangerous. could be poisened. and sleeping is
>>>dangerous, because you have eyes closed. everything is dangerous. so better
>>>doing nothing.
>>>and thats what crafty is mainly doing. accurate doing nothing.
>>>if crafty would be a human beeing, you would call him ill.
>>
>>I disagree.
>>
>>There are humans who never sacrifice in chess and I do not call them ill.
>>
>>Crafty is not accurate and there are a lot of cases when it evaluates wrong and
>>this is one of the reasons that Crafty lose games(it can sacrifice the king
>>safety for a pawn because of wrong evaluation function that say that the pawn
>>has bigger value).
>>Gambittiger is also not accurate and can do the opposite mistake.
>>
>>The fact that Gambittiger is better than Crafty is not a proof that Gambit is
>>more accurate about it because gambit is better in tactics and also better in
>>the endgame.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Well,--crafty evaluate position at move 23. as better for white.
>It plays 22...Qd7 to defend with Nb6/Nbc8/f5 which proofs to me
>that Crafty has the potential to be the best program. With some
>fine-tuning in its knowledge-base and book it should get there soon.
>Keep it up! Bob (if I may use that name)
>Regards,Kurt Widmann

correct 21.Nf3 Qd7 not as above 22..Qd7



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