Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
Date: 10:24:06 12/03/00
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On December 03, 2000 at 13:02:33, Marcus Kaestner wrote: >i´m not willing to repeat all the stuff again. Yes, of course you are skipping the point which do not comfort you, like the main issue of this whole thing: You have spread lies about Shredder and the court forbid you to do so. Also I think it is still very interesting for everybody to hear your arguments you used at the court. Do you allow me to quote them here? Do you want to quote them here yourself? No, you certainly won't do that as this would not fit to your poor little Marcus strategy. >only some important points. > >>>are you dreaming? >>>this happened end of september. to refresh your recall take a look here: >>> >>>http://mitglied.tripod.de/ChessBits/index.html >> >> >>The meeting at the court was last week. > >the decision of the judge was on the 29th of september, without hearing my side >because it was an "accelerated-decision". > >only after that i have the chance to fight against that. > >the first meeting was last week, which means nothing because it still isn´t a >"main case". several meetings will follow, so don´t tell people it´s a final >decision. I can't remember using the word final but there certainly was a decision made: You are not allowed to publish tests or results of Shredder versions you do not have. >>>>and finally the court forbid Marcus to publish results of beta versions of >>>>Shredder he didn’t have which sounds logical to me. Also I don’t think that >>>>German courts are famous for random judgements. >>> >>>oh no, my boy. not finally. this was only the decision in the "accelerated >>>lawsuit were the decision depends only on your statement and my statement. and >>>so you said that a version 4.xx is not a betaversion of version 5, the judges >>>thought that it is a betaversion of version 4! >> >> >>I have claimed that version 4.16 to 4.24 and 5 differ significantly which is >>true. > >don´t make a fool out of yourself. you know exactly, that 4.24 is very similiar >to 5.0. the main change is only in the triple brain, which now do not only >compare the evals. however, that whole triple thing is a piece of trash. I didn't expect neutral reports or tests concerning Shredder from you any more. So your last sentence fits to my image. >>>so we are far away from a final decision especially when we go through all the >>>instances. >> >> >>It should be clear now who doesn't want to stop this. > >hahahahahahaha, very funny. do you want me to pay all the costs of your >senseless personal war? > >so don´t say i do not want to stop. i only want to keep my money. > >>>first time elvis tried to moderate. thank you for that, elvis. >>>but the proposal of weiner/meyer-kahlen was too funny to follow: >>>they sued me with nonsense, and if i would be willing to overtake half of the >>>costs (about $1000) they(!) did produce, they wanted to stop. >>> >>>very nice proposal, isn´t it? >> >> >>We suggested to share all the costs which is reasonable and the way how >>settlements are usually made. > >aha, if i would drive into your car and i would say: ok, don´t let us fight, >everybody pays the damage on his car, would you agree? > >same here. > >>After last weeks judgement YOU have to pay ALL >>costs. Enerybody able to calculate can tell which one would have been better for >>you. > >it seems that you have understood nothing. after last week i have to pay nothing >till now. the judgment is far away from beeing official, unreversable. Come on Marcus. If you keep protesting to the judgement of the court the final decision can indeed take quite a while. But the costs will get bigger and bigger by doing so. The question remains if the judgement will change. But this is your decision. >>>only ossi stands behind that mud. stefan stands full behind this war of >>>extermination. >> >> >>Relax Marcus, it is not a "war of extermination" it is an attempt to stop you >>publishing FALSE information. You can call that "mud" if you want to. > >i´m very relaxed. >you even can call it personal war which was started by your side. OK poor little Marcus. >>Sandro was trying to solve this is issue as it would have been best for you, for >>me and for computer chess. >> >> >>>>We DO NOT want to and we can’t forbid Marcus to publish tests of Shredder5 AFTER >>>>its release. >>> >>>huh? >>>that sounds new!!!! >> >> >>Is it? So take a closer look at last week's judgement of the court. > >i do not need to take any closer look. i know what is allowed and what not. but >you are threatening people with law-cases, users and the ssdf if they are >publishing results. and even that you know very good that this is against the >law. but spreading fear is a proper way to shut up people lips. > >>>in the court-letter they accused me for a false oath of manifestation on this >>>topic! > >ahhh, nothing to say about that topic? What should I say other then repeating myself again and again. >>>>Now Marcus Kaestner accuses us in public to have cheated the judges on purpose >>>>which we asked him to stop doing. >>> >>>i will not stop things which are true even if you want me to stop. >> >> >>So YOU don't want to stop this thing. Why do you call it OUR war if YOU don't >>want to stop this? > >again you are turning facts. i didn´t say i´ll not stop the war, i said i´ll not >allow you or anyone else to forbid me telling the truth. that´s a real >difference, isn´t it? > >> >>How comes the judge at the court made you the suggestion to settle down this >>thing which you didn't follow? >> >>Why do you give everybody the impression that we are trying to kill you where >>you are the one who isn't willing to settle things down even if this was >>recommended to you at court and suggested to you before going to court? > >don´t turn things again. What did I turn here? Your main arguments seems to be accusing me turning the facts without bringing much evidence. Stefan
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