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Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:34:21 01/26/98

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On January 26, 1998 at 14:49:43, Dan Homan wrote:

>On January 26, 1998 at 14:14:51, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 26, 1998 at 10:36:38, Dan Homan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Clearly something more than 'do it as well as a human' is required
>>>for intelligence.  I'm not sure exactly what, but I outlined a few
>>>things in my previous post.
>>
>>
>>Never meant to imply that, because even one celled life forms eat.  And
>>just as efficiently as we do.  It is the "do something that a human
>>does,
>>and which requires intelligence" that has been the guide words for AI
>>for
>>many years...
>
>That is just chasing your tail, because you never actually define
>intelligence!  You just define artificial intelligence.  In that case
>I will agree with you... with one requirement... You need to define
>what "requires intelligence" means.  I think this is a very difficult
>thing to do without first defining intelligence.
>

I'm not chasing anyone's tail.  I'm pursuing computer chess research.
*period*.  I'm not going to try to define intelligence.  For years it
has been a "given" that playing chess is an intellectual task.  I tend
to agree because lower life forms don't play the game.  But I'm not
about
to get into the quagmire of trying to define intelligence...



>IMHO chess does not "require" intelligence any more than following a
>recipie in a cook-book requires intelligence.  You can use intelligence
>to cook or to play chess, but it is not required.  Intelligence is
>more than simply following well laid out rules, but this is my opinion
>only...


can't/won't argue here.  I base my claim that "computer chess is a
form of artificial intelligence" on the statements made by others over
a 30 year period that chess does require intelligence.  Perhaps a plan
would be to call this "artificial reasoning" or whatever.  However, 30
years of history has computer chess mentioned in every artificial
intelligence book I personally own, more than 30 of 'em at last count.




>
>An additional point... You suggested that because a monkey cannot
>play chess then chess must require intelligence.  Here I must
>disagree again.  A monkey has intelligence, just not the quantity or
>quality to allow it to play chess.  A monkey can learn language, create
>and use tools, and solve (relatively) complex and unfamiliar problems.
>An alpha-beta algorithm can do none of these things.


Don't change the game.  If you want to define intelligence as the
ability
to take a problem and produce tools that will work to help solve that
problem, that's an ok definition of intelligence by me.  And suppose
some-
one produces a computer program that does that, is it then "artificial
intelligence" or "real intelligence" or what...

We've been working on chess for a long time.  And producing good
results.
We started on chess "because".  Because we wanted to see if a computer
could
do something that a human does (play chess), something that takes a
great
deal of "thinking" (playing chess) and something that would be fun to
work
on.  But again, whether a computer is intelligent or not is not the
issue.
I simply claim that the computer can do some things that require
intelligence,
and do them well, although it probably accomplishes this in a far
different
way than we do ourselves...


>
>Perhaps it is a better to scrap the term "Artificial Intelligence"
>because it is misleading.  What you really mean in your above definition
>is that these systems should do things "that humans traditionally use
>intelligence to do well".  This is a far cry from "requires
>intelligence" but captures your meaning (I think).  Perhaps a better
>term would be "Artificial Analysis".  The term intelligence suggests
>a whole host of abilities that these algorithms just don't have.
>
> - Dan



Again, I don't know exactly what "intelligence" is.  I only know that
for
30 years I have been told that playing chess is an
intelligence-requiring
task.  The computers do play chess well.  If it takes intelligence to
play
chess, then a computer is obviously exhibiting "artificial
intelligence."
I'd not ever cross the line to "intelligence" with a program, because
that
is likely some combination of biological, electrical, chemical, and who
knows what else kinds of processes.



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