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Subject: Re: Statistical data about draws and rating differences

Author: Günther Simon

Date: 06:49:27 02/05/01

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On February 04, 2001 at 13:58:11, Andrew Dados wrote:

>
>I decided to find out 'true chance' of draw outcome from real games.
>The below is summarized output from my twic game files.
>Rdiff means difference of players ratings in the (range, range+25).
>Integrestingly around range of 0 draws approaches 50% and better won about 25%.
>
>Now if you take 2 tosses of coin you'll get total score of 2 heads in 25%, 1
>head in 50% and 0 heads in 25%...
>
>
> files: 176      games: 170464   decisive (counted) : 128803
>
>Rdiff+  games   %draws  %better won
>=======================================
>0       14480   48.82   25.67
>25      15365   46.57   31.45
>50      15784   44.60   35.52
>75      15429   41.80   39.62
>100     14092   38.68   44.26
>125     12121   35.08   49.18
>150     9926    31.92   54.47
>175     8129    28.34   58.89
>200     6478    25.39   63.71
>225     4707    22.82   67.94
>250     3443    20.65   69.82
>275     2575    18.45   73.67
>300     1879    15.59   77.38
>325     1370    15.62   78.83
>350     970     10.52   85.46
>375     687     9.32    86.90
>400     453     7.06    89.18
>
>Is one chess game statistically equivalent of 2 coin tosses? :)
>
>-Andrew-

There is something in this statistics which makes me get headaches
because it has not much to do with chess.
The point is in the mass of draws "played" in just a few moves sometimes
even in zero moves!! There are several reasons for this behaviour like
knowing the opponent very well,sharing at least prices,being exhausted
after a long tournament and some others...
But will this games not going to falsify the statistics?!
I presume that in all kind of huge collections of chessgames nowadays are
a terribly lot of such "games".(For my original Bigbase of CB I know this)
For myself I decided long time ago to delete all drawn games under move 9
or 10 in my database well knowing that this is just kind of difficult
compromise.
But the question is how can I trust the statistics e.g. in showing the
winning percentage of different opening variations or cant I trust
statistics of that kind anyway?



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