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Subject: Re: Latest millenium news?

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 23:20:11 04/16/01

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On April 17, 2001 at 02:10:47, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On April 16, 2001 at 02:09:11, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>>On April 15, 2001 at 14:07:19, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On April 15, 2001 at 12:35:52, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 15, 2001 at 04:15:41, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 15, 2001 at 02:54:22, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry, but you all are testing COMMERCIAL versions!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The tournament version of these programs are something else!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So this means different results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hope to have been clear enough!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sandro Necchi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like a lack of good arguments. "Hey, don't look at what exists now, just
>>>>>imagine what could exist in a few months".
>>>>
>>>>WE ALL KNOW THAT THE TOURNAMENT VERSION OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE STRONGER AND
>>>>DIFFERENT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you mean that the Shredder used during tournaments is stronger than the one
>>>which is sold to your customers?
>>
>>Of course it is. It must score the best in a few games, not to mention other
>>differences. I am sure you know it!
>>The same is for all tournament versions of all programs! Do you mean you bring a
>>weaker version to the championship tournament or the same one?
>
>
>
>Gambit Tiger won the french and dutch Open, and it was the commercial engine
>(actually the last beta version).
>
>I think in the dutch open Jeroen has been influencing the choice of the opening
>lines (the probability to play a line or another one), but apart from that it
>was the commercial engine with the commercial book.
>
>Can you confirm here that there exist a special version of Shredder which is
>playing in tournaments and which is not sold commercially?
>
>
>
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>>>>NOBODY KNOWS WHICH PROGRAM IS THE BEST NOW BECAUSE NOBODY OWNS ALL THE NEW
>>>>PROGRAMS.
>>>>
>>>>THE ONLY TIME ALL THE LATEST AND BEST VERSIONS MEET EACH OTHER IS IN THE WORLD
>>>>CHAMPIONSHIP. WE ALL WORK HARD FOR ONE YEAR TO MAKE THE BEST AVAILABLE IN ORDER
>>>>TO WIN IT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The only event where all the best programs meet each other, 365 days per year,
>>>is the SSDF permanent tournament.
>>
>>I totally disagree!
>>I am not against SSDF, which I know since years and admit they do a excellent
>>job, but the use outclassed hardware and commercial versions only!
>
>
>
>They use the software and hardware that most people use. Is it unfair?
>And they test the programs generally immediately after they reach the stores, so
>I would not call this outclassed software.
>
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>>>So many games are played, compared to the world championships, that the
>>>tournaments you are talking about look like a child's joke.
>>
>>You must be kidding or trying to minimise the fact that you did not win the
>>world champion title. No other explanations to me.
>
>
>
>I have won the spanish championship, the french championship, the dutch
>championship, the Aufsess tournaments and many other private (but very serious)
>tournaments.
>
>But I would not claim superiority because of these titles.
>
>The ultimate test is the SSDF list. Unfortunately I notice that Shredder is
>hiding from this.
>
>
>
>
>>>>SO THE LAST TIME THIS HAPPENED WE WON.
>>>>
>>>>CAN YOU STATE THE CONTRARY???????
>>>>
>>>>NO YOU CANNOT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>For how many years are you going to base all your propaganda on short
>>>tournaments?
>>
>>Until we win the next tournament. Then we will start again!
>
>
>
>Any idea when you will accept the real challenge and let the SSDF publish the
>true results?
>
>
>
>
>>>Should I state the number of tournaments my program has won every time I run out
>>
>>Your program is very strong and you are a skilled programmer, but the most
>>important tournament is the world championship. This is the point, you cannot
>>play around it!
>
>
>
>I think I can notice disinformation when I see it.
>
>It is obvious that you are trying to squeeze every drop out of the WM title of
>Shredder, but I don't think you should assume people are so stupid that they do
>not notice that Shredder is hiding from the SSDF list.
>
>If it is so good, why did Weiner fight to forbid the SSDF from publishing the
>result like is own life was in danger?
>
>If it is so good, what is the problem in playing a qualifying match against Deep
>Fritz and Deep Junior? Weiner withdrew from the match as soon as he has learned
>that there would be a qualifying round. If Shredder is superior, where is the
>problem?
>
>
>
>
>
>>>of arguments?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>SO MY POINT IS WHICH EVER PROGRAM IS WORLD CHAMPION HAS THE RIGHT TO CHALLANGE
>>>>THE WORLD CHAMPION.
>>>>
>>>>IF YOU WIN THIS YEAR YOU'LL BE THE ONE NEXT YEAR.
>>>>
>>>>IS THIS A LACK OF ARGUMENTS?
>>>>
>>>>I REALLY DON'T THINK SO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Be real. Let Shredder enter the SSDF list and let's see what happens.
>>
>>I told you that the commercial versions are weaker, so SSDF can only state how
>>strong is the commercial version which is sold to the pubblic and with the
>>hardware they use!
>
>
>
>
>That's absolutely incredible, or I don't understand what you mean.
>
>So you are actually saying here that you are fooling your customers?
>
>"World champion" is written on the box of Shredder, but actually what is sold is
>weaker than the actual world champion???
>
>Can you please confirm this?

No, what I mean is that the tournament versions are always the latest one, so
the book.
The program is updated nearly everyday!
Also a commercial version needs more variety in the book. That's normal!

Sandro Necchi
>
>
>
>
>>>If you can win all 9 rounds tournaments, you are not afraid of winning a 40
>>>rounds tournament, are you?
>>
>>No we are not afraid, but it cost time and money. Having won the real important
>>one why we should attend more tournaments.
>
>
>
>It wouldn't cost a dime. Just send a few CDs to the SSDF, they will do the job
>for you.

>
>
>
>
>>Shall we win a tournament every week to have everybody admitting until the next
>>week that we are the stronger?
>>Anyway, I respect your opinion, but you should respect mine which is the one I
>>told you.
>>This ends the discussion to me.
>
>
>
>It's not a matter of respecting the opinion or not. It is just a matter of
>facts.
>
>Knowing on what are based your opinions should argue in their favor, isn't it?
>So you can explain what you think...
>
>
>
>    Christophe



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