Author: Chessfun
Date: 17:57:38 04/19/01
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On April 19, 2001 at 11:43:05, Mogens Larsen wrote: >On April 19, 2001 at 09:21:48, Chessfun wrote: > >>Still lose, lose....no?. > >No, of course not. I think it's very acceptable and would be to most, if they >asked IBM and kept it out of the announcements until they knew for certain. >That's an honest way to do business. Then it still must come out that they asked at some point. Same thing lose, lose. Then you would say that was also a set up. >>Then you could simply have said Unthical to a member of the ICCA a few posts >>ago instead of using the word as it applied to everything. BTW which member >>was it you spoke to? >Who said I spoke to a member? I presumed that Amir Ban is a member of ICCA, >since he has participated in their events. That is an assumption, but quite >reliable given the ones presented here. In that case, humping ship is unethical. Jumping ship how. If he chooses to do so prior to the next release of Junior is that considered unethical?. >Given the eventual match with Kramnik it should be the strongest SMP program >under real match conditions to simulate the eventual match. Strongest SMP program at what. They were never going to determine strongest SMP program against humans?. >That is not correct. Nothing suggests that timeframe or commercial venture made >a restriction on the possible choices necessary. Especially if the organizers >were interested in a legitimate opponent. I might add that Deep Blue wasn't >available. And you may reason that the same was forseeable with Shredder. I believe it is correct. Please name for me just one program which you believe aside from Shredder which would beat Deep Fritz on 8 cpus in a match of say 40 games?. >No, we are not LOL. We cannot make that claim without an open championship. >Sarah, I'm amazed that you can write somthing like that. This means that you can >become the strongest program by sufficiently clever restrictions. That's a novel >concept of fairness. Read above. Any program can will win a tournament give it 40 match games and it's another story. >>They can call it what they wish makes no difference to me. > >I'm sure that most of the uninformed observers will take a similar stance, but >it isn't becoming of someone who is supposed to be informed. That's embarassing >IMO. Posted from the Braingames network. Seems they are calling it the 2001 Challenge. I see no mention of World Championship?. nor World's best computer?. "Man vs Machine In October 2001 the new World Chess Champion Vladimir Kramnik will play the first Man vs Machine Challenge since Gary Kasparov lost to IBM’s Deep Blue in 1997. This was one of the biggest internet events ever and Brain Games expects the 2001 Challenge to be even more popular. Technology has moved on since 1997 and what required a main frame computer then can now be tackled by a sophisticated desktop PC. But the machines haven’t necessarily beaten us – Kramnik’s style of play will lead to a very close match. The venue for this event will be announced on this site shortly. In the meantime, Brain Games is hosting a Machine vs Machine qualifying challenge in April 2001 to determine which software will play Kramnik." >The problem isn't "BGN", but "Computer World Chess Championship". It hasn't got >anything to do with either "World" or "Championship". Just as legitimate as your >Easter championship. See above. >>Again in this case on 8 cpu's Bertil and Enrique choose what appear to be >>the strongest available programs under the constrants of time. What Bertil >>should do is give his honest opinion which is what he did. > >The operative word here is "appear". Bertil wasn't hired to offer honest >opinions, but as an computer-chess expert. Now the SSDF is associated, unfairly, >with a bogus championship title. Championship title? see above. Also as a computer chess expert he gave his expert advice, which apparently Braingames excepted. Again you know nothing of the selection process between BGN, Enrique and Bertil. Sarah.
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