Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 15:51:58 04/20/01
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On April 20, 2001 at 17:52:18, Mogens Larsen wrote: >On April 20, 2001 at 16:39:06, Chessfun wrote: > >>No actually he diverted to that in; >>http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?164926 it wasn't how it started. >>It started with his distributor stacking the deck. Whether that was what he >>implied at that point is something else. These statements are like what your >>doing making the same accusations without evidence. > >What does stacking the decks mean? It means getting an advantage with unfair >methods. In this case making sure that ChessBase have an unfair advantage. The >most obvious way to achieve that is fiddling with the selection. Either directly >or indirectly. > >The direct way is by influencing Bertil, Enrique or both. Bob's argument as I >understand it, is that their selection is so far off the mark compared to "real" >experts that it isn't impossible. And the "real experts" believe that deep-anyone or deep-someone is equal, better or nearly as good as Deep Fritz, Shredder and Junior. Show me these experts, thinking with the head instead of the heart. I am sure even you believe no other program has a "chance" against the above mentioned programs in a match(es). Why don't at least be consequent like some of the others and say Shredder or noone. It is absolutely obvious for everyone that you are an opputunist following the "easiest" and simplest way. Nothing more, nothing less. >The indirect way could be BGN telling Bertil to consider commercial programs >only and keep it a secret as you suggest. And since it's likely that Millennium >will withdraw given the previous negotiations, ChessBase is left standing. I have told you several times about the conditions, and the recommendations was based entirely on this. Do you believe that it is a coincidence that almost every "strong" program is commercial. I don't. > >So stacking the deck starts and ends with the selection procedure as mentioned >by Bob. > >>Again accusations without evidence. >>You should read Amir's post again contrary to what you previously wrote >>he at no point said we negoatiated after Shredder was out. Whether you >>took it to mean that is something else. > >"We all got the same draft agreement at the same time, and more or less saw the >same problems in the terms (I think I saw some you missed), but, instead of >sending an angry "I'm out!" letter like Ossi Weiner, we negotiated." > >I interpret that Amir Ban knows that Shredder is out at the point of >negotiation, either before or during. Even that it's in form of a letter. Well, >that could be ironic remark. At least I saw Amirs comment after Stefans statement and Ossis a few days before. As far as I know the only one that comments about the negociations is Millenium and first after they were out. I can give you a hint of mr Weiners definition on truth and lies in the CSS-Forum. Please read it before you believe him again. There are also some interesting informations about mr Moreland and mr Hyatt (in english), where in fact I and Thorsten Szub agrees. Bertil > >>Exactly speculation... > >Well, it's like Jeopardy with really though answers. But we're getting there. > >>But as stated above Amir's letter don't say they negotiated after Shredder >>left. I took it before at face value when you wrote it. > >They knew that Millennium was either "out" or never "in" :-). > >>Again you don't know this either, just more speculation. > >According to Amir ban, Millennium didn't negotiate, so they weren't in. > >>From Reading Amir's letter I quote. "and more or less saw the >>same problems in the terms". How do you know what terms made them >>withdraw?. > >SMK mentioned all the reasons for withdrawing. One of them was the qualification >tournament itself. That is a difficult one to remove. > >>If they Junior and Shredder saw the same problems in >>the terms then you could also speculate that Shredder did consider >>playing. > >No, you can't. > >Mogens.
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