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Subject: Re: the guy who said cm6000 is stronger than 8000 is right!

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 14:57:01 05/21/01

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On May 21, 2001 at 17:43:08, william penn wrote:

>On May 21, 2001 at 17:33:01, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On May 21, 2001 at 17:16:31, william penn wrote:
>>
>>>On May 21, 2001 at 16:12:11, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>
>>>>cm 8000 is getting clobbered day in and day out! as i remeber (remind me if i'm
>>>>wrong) cm 6000 more than held its own against fritz5.32 junior 5 and nimzo 7.32.
>>>>and was in fact rated a point or 2 higher than either if them.
>>>>
>>>>this one is behaving more like a vintage cm 3000 (performance wise)
>>>>
>>>>a real sheep in wolf's clothing i  must say
>>>>
>>>>rajen
>>>
>>> All those people who were looking for evidence for my statement that 6555 is
>>>stronger than 8000, they seem to have suddenly vanished. lol
>>
>>Wouldn't it be funny, if the binary were -- for all intents and purposes --
>>identical?
>>
>>Supposing there *is* a 50 ELO difference between the two programs...
>>It is almost impossible to prove it.
>>
>>Every swing in fortune in a SSDF set brings oohs and aahs of either doom and
>>destruction or meteoric rise if it should be shifted to one opponent or the
>>other.
>>
>>I suspect it would be good to wait until the whole set is in.
>
>
>  i don't know mr. corbitt, it seems that a little common sense along with basic
>observation and experience using cm8000 as oppose to cm60000 shows the former to
>be much weaker.

Common sense and observation are horrible tools to measure this with.

I flip a coin 5 times and it comes up heads every time.  Does that mean the coin
is biased?

>i don't think that i have seen a good cm8000 result since it has
>been released. i have played many games against 6000 and have yet to win a
>single game, i have already beaten 8000 twice and drew it once.

A conclusion based upon 3 measurements seems flawed to me.

> i am not out to
>defame the program author at all, i have always been a fan of cm . if i state
>what i believe to be the truth, based on observation and experience, if this is
>seen as a smear on someone's program , then so be it.

I don't see it as a smear at all.  You may be correct in your assertions.  What
I am saying is that a few experiments cannot establish what you are seeking to
prove.  It will take a very large body of evidence.



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