Author: Jeff Lischer
Date: 21:14:44 06/02/01
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On June 02, 2001 at 06:10:22, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >On June 02, 2001 at 06:04:56, Eduard Nemeth wrote: > >>On June 01, 2001 at 17:59:45, John Merlino wrote: >> >>>On June 01, 2001 at 11:13:10, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>> >>>>[Event "It Astana"] >>>>[Site "?"] >>>>[Date "2001.??.??"] >>>>[Round "?"] >>>>[White "Kasparov,G"] >>>>[Black "Kramnik,V"] >>>>[ECO "C67"] >>>>[Result "1-0"] >>>> >>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 >>>>6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5 8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. Nc3 h6 10. h3 Bd7 >>>>11. b3 Ke8 12. Bb2 Rd8 13. Rad1 Ne7 14. Rfe1 Ng6 15. Ne4 >>>>Nf4 16. e6 Nxe6 17. Nd4 c5 18. Nf5 Rh7 19. Bf6 Rc8 20. Bxg7 >>>>Bxg7 21. Nxg7+ Rxg7 22. Nf6+ Ke7 23. Nxd7 Rd8 24. Ne5 Rxd1 >>>>25. Rxd1 Nf4 26. Kh1 Rg5 27. Ng4 Rd5 28. Re1+ Kf8 29. Nxh6 >>>>Rd2 30. Re5 Rxf2 31. Rf5 Kg7 32. Ng4 Rxg2 33. Rxf4 Rxc2 >>>>34. Rf2 Rc3 35. Kg2 b5 36. h4 c4 37. h5 cxb3 38. axb3 Rc5 >>>>39. h6+ Kf8 40. Nf6 Rg5+ 41. Kh1 1-0 >>>> >>>>What was the loosing move vor black? >>>> >>>>I think it was move 27...Rd5? >>>> >>>>[D]8/ppp1kp2/7p/2p3r1/5nN1/1P5P/P1P2PP1/3R3K b - - >>>> >>>>What say the best programs ? >>>> >>>>Eduard >>> >>>CM8000 agrees with DeepShredder (as mentioned in a different post): >>> >>>Before 30...Rxf2: >>> >>>Time Depth Score Positions Moves >>>0:00 1/4 0.61 2807 4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Rxf2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>>0:00 3/6 0.86 22539 4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Rxf2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>> 7. h4 Rf1+ 8. Kh2 Rf2 >>>0:01 4/7 0.90 73421 4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Rxf4 Kxh6 >>> 7. Rxf7 Rxa2 8. Rxc7 Rxf2 9. Rxb7 >>>0:03 5/8 0.90 261099 4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Rxf4 Kxh6 >>> 7. Rxf7 Rxa2 8. Rxc7 Rxf2 9. Rxb7 >>>0:07 5/8 0.87 567220 4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Rxf7+ Kxh6 >>> 7. Rf6+ Kg5 8. Rxe6 Rxc2 9. Kg1 >>> Rxa2 10. Re5+ Kg6 11. Rxc5 >>>0:09 6/9 0.79 801199 4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>> 7. h4 Rxa2 8. g4 Rb2 9. Rf6 Kd7 >>>0:27 7/10 0.58 2657640 4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>> 7. a4 c4 8. bxc4 Rxc4 9. a5 b5 >>> 10. axb6ep axb6 >>>1:18 8/11 0.47 7861451 4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>> 7. a3 Rb2 8. f4 Rxb3 9. f5 Nd8 >>> 10. Rxc7 Rxa3 11. Rxc5 >>>3:53 9/12 0.51 24016174 4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8 >>> 7. a4 c4 8. bxc4 Rxc4 9. a5 a6 >>> 10. g3 Rc5 11. Rf6 Kd7 >>> >>>After 30...Rxf2: >>> >>>Time Depth Score Positions Moves >>>0:00 2/5 1.26 12269 5. Rxc5 Ne6 6. Rf5 Rxc2 7. Rxf7+ >>> Ke8 >>>0:00 3/6 1.11 25013 5. Rxc5 Rxg2 6. Rxc7 Rg3 7. Rc8+ >>> Ke7 8. Nf5+ Kd7 >>>0:02 4/7 1.20 87851 5. Rxc5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Ne6 7. Nxf2 >>> Nxc5 8. Nd3 >>>0:03 5/8 1.20 244530 5. Rxc5 Ne6 6. Rf5 Rxc2 7. Rxf7+ >>> Ke8 8. a3 Rc3 9. Rf6 Kd7 >>>0:08 6/9 1.11 731426 5. Rxc5 Ne6 6. Ra5 Rxc2 7. Rxa7 >>> Kg7 8. Nf5+ Kf6 9. Ra5 Kg6 10. Kh2 >>>0:14 6/9 1.38 1259926 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4 >>> Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10. >>> Kg2 >>>0:24 7/10 1.36 2291595 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4 >>> Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10. >>> Nd3 >>>1:02 8/11 1.51 6080183 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4 >>> Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10. >>> Nd3 b6 11. Kg2 >>>2:38 9/12 1.47 16397563 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4 >>> Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10. >>> Nd3 b6 11. Kg2 Kf6 >>> >>>Loss of a full point, basically.... >>> >>>jm >> >Thanks John ! > >We (in german ChessBits) discuss now likewise a new position: > >[D]8/ppp2pk1/7N/2pr4/5n2/1P5P/P1P2PP1/4R2K w - - 0 1 > >Kramnik played 29...Rd2. We think now that 29...Kg7 is stronger! > >Thanks, and best wishes, >Eduard Century 3.1 definitely likes moves other than Kramnik's 27, 29, and 30. All by about 1/2 pawn: 27. Ng4 Rd5 Kramnik,V :14.00 -0.54 Rd5 Rxd5 Nxd5 Nxh6 Nb4 Ng8 Kf8 Nf6 b6 h4 Nxc2 CENTURY 3.1!!:14.00 -0.00 h5 Ne3 c6 c4 Ke6 Kh2 Re5 g4 hxg4 hxg4 29. Nxh6 Rd2 Kramnik,V :15.00 -0.70 Rd2 Re5 Kg7 Nf5 Kf6 Ne3 Kxe5 Nc4 Kd4 Nxd2 Kc3 CENTURY 3.1 :15.00 -0.26 Kg7 Ng4 Rd2 Re4 Ne6 Ra4 a6 c4 f5 Ne3 Rxf2 Kg1 30. Re5 Rxf2 Kramnik,V :14.00 -1.24 Rxf2 Rf5 Ke7 Ng4 Rxg2 Rxf4 Rxc2 h4 CENTURY 3.1!!:14.00 -0.62 Kg7 Nf5+ Kf6 Ne3 Kxe5 Nc4 Kd4 Nxd2 Kc3 Ne4 Is this what other programs are saying too?
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