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Subject: Re: correct new position diagram (sorry)

Author: Jeff Lischer

Date: 21:14:44 06/02/01

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On June 02, 2001 at 06:10:22, Eduard Nemeth wrote:

>On June 02, 2001 at 06:04:56, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>
>>On June 01, 2001 at 17:59:45, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On June 01, 2001 at 11:13:10, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>
>>>>[Event "It Astana"]
>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>[White "Kasparov,G"]
>>>>[Black "Kramnik,V"]
>>>>[ECO "C67"]
>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>
>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6
>>>>6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5 8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. Nc3 h6 10. h3 Bd7
>>>>11. b3 Ke8 12. Bb2 Rd8 13. Rad1 Ne7 14. Rfe1 Ng6 15. Ne4
>>>>Nf4 16. e6 Nxe6 17. Nd4 c5 18. Nf5 Rh7 19. Bf6 Rc8 20. Bxg7
>>>>Bxg7 21. Nxg7+ Rxg7 22. Nf6+ Ke7 23. Nxd7 Rd8 24. Ne5 Rxd1
>>>>25. Rxd1 Nf4 26. Kh1 Rg5 27. Ng4 Rd5 28. Re1+ Kf8 29. Nxh6
>>>>Rd2 30. Re5 Rxf2 31. Rf5 Kg7 32. Ng4 Rxg2 33. Rxf4 Rxc2
>>>>34. Rf2 Rc3 35. Kg2 b5 36. h4 c4 37. h5 cxb3 38. axb3 Rc5
>>>>39. h6+ Kf8 40. Nf6 Rg5+ 41. Kh1 1-0
>>>>
>>>>What was the loosing move vor black?
>>>>
>>>>I think it was move 27...Rd5?
>>>>
>>>>[D]8/ppp1kp2/7p/2p3r1/5nN1/1P5P/P1P2PP1/3R3K b - -
>>>>
>>>>What say the best programs ?
>>>>
>>>>Eduard
>>>
>>>CM8000 agrees with DeepShredder (as mentioned in a different post):
>>>
>>>Before 30...Rxf2:
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	1/4	0.61	2807		4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Rxf2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8
>>>0:00	3/6	0.86	22539		4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Rxf2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8
>>>					7. h4 Rf1+ 8. Kh2 Rf2
>>>0:01	4/7	0.90	73421		4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Rxf4 Kxh6
>>>					7. Rxf7 Rxa2 8. Rxc7 Rxf2 9. Rxb7
>>>0:03	5/8	0.90	261099		4...Rxc2 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Rxf4 Kxh6
>>>					7. Rxf7 Rxa2 8. Rxc7 Rxf2 9. Rxb7
>>>0:07	5/8	0.87	567220		4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Rxf7+ Kxh6
>>>					7. Rf6+ Kg5 8. Rxe6 Rxc2 9. Kg1
>>>					Rxa2 10. Re5+ Kg6 11. Rxc5
>>>0:09	6/9	0.79	801199		4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8
>>>					7. h4 Rxa2 8. g4 Rb2 9. Rf6 Kd7
>>>0:27	7/10	0.58	2657640		4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8
>>>					7. a4 c4 8. bxc4 Rxc4 9. a5 b5
>>>					10. axb6ep axb6
>>>1:18	8/11	0.47	7861451		4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8
>>>					7. a3 Rb2 8. f4 Rxb3 9. f5 Nd8
>>>					10. Rxc7 Rxa3 11. Rxc5
>>>3:53	9/12	0.51	24016174	4...Ne6 5. Rf5 Rxc2 6. Rxf7+ Ke8
>>>					7. a4 c4 8. bxc4 Rxc4 9. a5 a6
>>>					10. g3 Rc5 11. Rf6 Kd7
>>>
>>>After 30...Rxf2:
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	2/5	1.26	12269		5. Rxc5 Ne6 6. Rf5 Rxc2 7. Rxf7+
>>>					Ke8
>>>0:00	3/6	1.11	25013		5. Rxc5 Rxg2 6. Rxc7 Rg3 7. Rc8+
>>>					Ke7 8. Nf5+ Kd7
>>>0:02	4/7	1.20	87851		5. Rxc5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Ne6 7. Nxf2
>>>					Nxc5 8. Nd3
>>>0:03	5/8	1.20	244530		5. Rxc5 Ne6 6. Rf5 Rxc2 7. Rxf7+
>>>					Ke8 8. a3 Rc3 9. Rf6 Kd7
>>>0:08	6/9	1.11	731426		5. Rxc5 Ne6 6. Ra5 Rxc2 7. Rxa7
>>>					Kg7 8. Nf5+ Kf6 9. Ra5 Kg6 10. Kh2
>>>0:14	6/9	1.38	1259926		5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4
>>>					Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10.
>>>					Kg2
>>>0:24	7/10	1.36	2291595		5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4
>>>					Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10.
>>>					Nd3
>>>1:02	8/11	1.51	6080183		5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4
>>>					Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10.
>>>					Nd3 b6 11. Kg2
>>>2:38	9/12	1.47	16397563	5. Rf5 Kg7 6. Ng4 Rxg2 7. Rxf4
>>>					Rxc2 8. Rf2 Rxf2 9. Nxf2 f5 10.
>>>					Nd3 b6 11. Kg2 Kf6
>>>
>>>Loss of a full point, basically....
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>Thanks John !
>
>We (in german ChessBits) discuss now likewise a new position:
>
>[D]8/ppp2pk1/7N/2pr4/5n2/1P5P/P1P2PP1/4R2K w - - 0 1
>
>Kramnik played 29...Rd2. We think now that 29...Kg7 is stronger!
>
>Thanks, and best wishes,
>Eduard

Century 3.1 definitely likes moves other than Kramnik's 27, 29, and 30. All by
about 1/2 pawn:

27. Ng4 Rd5
Kramnik,V    :14.00  -0.54  Rd5 Rxd5 Nxd5 Nxh6 Nb4 Ng8 Kf8 Nf6 b6 h4 Nxc2
CENTURY 3.1!!:14.00  -0.00  h5 Ne3 c6 c4 Ke6 Kh2 Re5 g4 hxg4 hxg4

29. Nxh6 Rd2
Kramnik,V    :15.00  -0.70  Rd2 Re5 Kg7 Nf5 Kf6 Ne3 Kxe5 Nc4 Kd4 Nxd2 Kc3
CENTURY 3.1  :15.00  -0.26  Kg7 Ng4 Rd2 Re4 Ne6 Ra4 a6 c4 f5 Ne3 Rxf2 Kg1

30. Re5 Rxf2
Kramnik,V    :14.00  -1.24  Rxf2 Rf5 Ke7 Ng4 Rxg2 Rxf4 Rxc2 h4
CENTURY 3.1!!:14.00  -0.62  Kg7 Nf5+ Kf6 Ne3 Kxe5 Nc4 Kd4 Nxd2 Kc3 Ne4

Is this what other programs are saying too?



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