Author: Mark Young
Date: 11:31:53 06/18/01
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On June 18, 2001 at 14:15:05, Côme wrote: >On June 18, 2001 at 13:41:25, Mark Young wrote: > >>On June 18, 2001 at 12:42:01, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On June 18, 2001 at 08:21:54, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>Here in Finland we have 3 GMs. Here's from their ratings from fide: >>>> >>>>500011 Yrjola, Jouni g 2419 2 24.10.1959 >>>>500020 Westerinen, Heikki M.J. g 2412 10 27.4.1944 >>>>500038 Rantanen, Yrjo A. g 2327 0 23.4.1950 >>>> >>>>You can give computer a knight handicap to get interesting match... >>>> >>>>Jouni >> >>Quoted from Bob's post: >> >>"So picking a bunch of GMs with ratings of 2400 and then saying "hey, computers >>are this good, so..." doesn't make much sense. Because at _some_ point in time, >>those 2400 GM players were 2600+ GM players, otherwise they would not have >>gotten the title..." >> >>You are Dead Wrong again Bob, we will take the 3 Grandmasters from the previous >>post for example. Not one of these Grandmasters was ever close to 2600 elo and >>in fact only one of these grandmasters was able to best 2500+ elo. As usual in >>this argument your theory falls apart in the light of FACTS. > >Hello !! >You forgot one important thing : They all had +2500 in intermediate elo ! >the elo you give is the best rating published. >They all made Gm norms (TPR +2600) and had +2500 betwenn 2 fide list. >best regards >Alexandre Come You are making my point, it is much easier to make TPR's then hold a elo of 2500+ for computers to be considered GM strength. If a computer can hold a 2500+ elo it is performing better then alot of grandmssters, and should be considered Grandmaster strength. > > > >> >> >>Yrjola, Jouni GM >>best elo 2515, 1984 >> >>Westerinen, Heikki M.J. GM >>best elo 2485, 1976 >> >>Rantanen, Yrjo A. GM >>best elo 2460, 1979 >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>First, these titles are awarded when a specific set of criteria have been >>>met. IE in the US, if you are a member of the USCF and play chess, your >>>rating can fluctuate from class-c (1400-1600) to class-a (1800-2000) and >>>your "title" changes as well. But once your rating hits 2200, you receive >>>a "life master" title that never gets revoked. >>> >>>GM players are exactly the same. IE when I finished my PhD, I was awarded the >>>title of "Dr.". I will keep that title for life, even if I reach a point where >>>I can't remember 2+2. GMs are the same. They satisfied the strict criteria >>>at some point. Then they get older and their chess skills decline. But the >>>title is not dependent on their maintaining a 2500+ rating forever. It is >>>very possible that there could exist a GM that could not win a class-B event >>>at a USCF tournament. Age does strange things to the mind. >>> >>>So picking a bunch of GMs with ratings of 2400 and then saying "hey, computers >>>are this good, so..." doesn't make much sense. Because at _some_ point in time, >>>those 2400 GM players were 2600+ GM players, otherwise they would not have >>>gotten the title...
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