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Subject: Re: CCL results 08-06-98

Author: Mark Young

Date: 20:30:30 06/09/98

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On June 09, 1998 at 22:52:35, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On June 09, 1998 at 21:10:24, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 09, 1998 at 17:02:51, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>>Posted by Christophe Theron on June 09, 1998 at 14:01:59:
>>>
>>>>>My view, in total 30 >>4:30 vs 45:00<< games will be played. Imagine
>>>>>the following possible scores:
>>>
>>>>>a) 4:30 vs 45:00   5 - 25    --> Speed is decisive.
>>>>>b) 4:30 vs 45:00  10 - 20    --> My expectation.
>>>>>c) 4:30 vs 45:00  13 - 17    --> Speed is not decisive.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I you use the top programs currently competing in CCL, my bet is that
>>>>you'll get the 5 - 25 result.
>>>
>>>It's an old discussion. My view is that going from 5 to 6 ply is a lot
>>>more worth than going from ply 12 to 13 and going from 12 to 13 ply will
>>>gain more elo than going from ply 18 to 19.
>>>
>>
>>From the testing I have done in the past. I think that this view is most
>>probable correct.
>>
>>>IMO there comes a time (say about 10 years?) that a doubling of
>>>processor speed will gain only 2-5 elo points. How much worth is
>>>a doubling these days? A NPS tournament can reveal something about
>>>this.
>>>
>>
>>This might be true running todays programs, but you programmers are very
>>good at finding new ways of using spare CPU horsepower.
>>
>>
>>
>>>My speculation is 10-20 as the current top programs at such fast
>>>machines are already so good that they can't be slaughtered with
>>>your suggested 5-25.
>>>
>>>- Ed -
>>>
>>>
>>>>This just will tell us nothing. I suppose you think differently. So can
>>>>you please explain what kind of lesson you are expecting from this?
>>>
>>
>>It’s amazing just how little the creator truly understands the nature of
>>the monster he makes.
>
>Maybe I don't know my creature very well, but you can be sure I know it
>better than anyone else on earth.
>

I did not mean that comment to be a slam against you or anyone. I just
think it's interesting how much we still don't know. If we all knew the
out come of this testing, then it would be pointless.


>Gives you an idea of the kind of understanding most people (including on
>CCC) have about chess programs. :)
>
>
>
>>If we knew what lessons we would learn for running this experiment there
>>might not be a need to run it.
>
>
>You are right, that's why I added the following comments (see quote
>below):
>
>
>>>>But OK, as I said, this has to be done at least one time.
>>>
>>>>And BTW I hope to be wrong. I like to be surprised!
>>>
>>>>    Christophe



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