Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 15:17:03 02/13/02
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On February 13, 2002 at 17:53:54, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 13, 2002 at 16:19:21, James T. Walker wrote: > >>On February 13, 2002 at 15:38:58, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>Black to move. The position is a draw, even if White could manage to win both >>>Black pawns. But quite a lot of [top] programs do not at all understand this and >>>show completely wrong evaluations. >>> >>>A good example where a 1500-ELO-player does better than the so called >>>2700-ELO-silicon-monsters!! >>>Kurt >>> >>>[D] 8/8/5k1p/6pP/6K1/8/8/3B4 b - - 0 1 >> >>I believe that playing the position properly (saving the draw) is more important >>than the eval shown by the program. I think some programmers don't care if the >>score shows that the program thinks it's ahead because it has a bishop for a >>pawn. I think it's more important that it gets a draw when the game is >>technically a draw. I also see many cases where one program will show a score >>of +56.25 where others will show only +10.15. Does it really matter? I also >>believe that chess programs do not understand _a_n_y_ positions. They simply do >>what they are told and hopefully in most cases it is the right thing to do. The >>score is simply a means to arrive at what is hopefully the best move. Every day >>I see two progams playing on auto232 where they both think they are ahead and >>even when they both think they are behind. They still play better than any 1500 >>player I know. > >They play well but if weak players are going to ask them for their mistakes >the computers may say stupid things. > >Here is an example from a game between 2 childs under 10 from the other forum > >[D]8/8/b7/5k2/5p1p/6pP/3B2P1/6K1 w - - 0 64 > >White played Bxf4 > >suppose that he later analyzes his game to find his mistakes. >every program that I know tells him that Bxf4 was a big mistake when it is a >draw after Bxf4 like after other moves that are not Be3. Every program I tried wants to slide the bishop along the diagonal. Ba5 and Ba4 were what most chose, with one program choosing Be1. I'd take the pawn in a heartbeat. After that, there is absolutely no way you can screw up. I think every human would do the same.
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