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Subject: Re: 1998 WCCC and/or WMCCC sponsorship

Author: Roberto Waldteufel

Date: 17:48:29 07/18/98

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On July 18, 1998 at 10:58:09, Don Dailey wrote:

>On July 17, 1998 at 22:00:27, Roberto Waldteufel wrote:
>
>>
>>On July 17, 1998 at 14:44:23, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On July 17, 1998 at 13:49:55, Roberto Waldteufel wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Don,
>>>>
>>>>The more restrictions you add, the more programmers are excluded. I program in
>>>>32-bit compiled Basic, and tweak intensively used code with Assembler, on a
>>>>Pentium 333, so I guess that would disqualify me on three counts? I don't think
>>>>there can be much argument that Assembler is best for performance, but harder to
>>>>program in. So if a programmer accepts the challenge and puts in the extra
>>>>effort to write an Assembler program that does exactly the same as an eqivalent
>>>>C program, but twice as fast, surely this is a greater programming achievement?
>>>
>>>You are right. Your program should not be excluded because it is programmed in
>>>Basic/Assembler. No problem.
>>>
>>>The Pentium 333 could be a problem if we decide that 300MHz is the limit, but
>>>surely we could work around that in several ways. Maybe by giving you 10% less
>>>time, as this was done in the last WMCCC in Paris when a fast computer was
>>>playing against one of the provided K6-200.
>>>
>>>If we are wise enough (are we?) to try to solve such "problems" in a positive
>>>way, the event could take place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I don't think it is possible to completely separate "programming" from hardware.
>>>>Programmers and programs exist only because of the hardware that supports them.
>>>>To my mind, the "best chess programmer" is hardware dependant. It is about
>>>>squeazing best possible chess out of a given hardware configuration, and as such
>>>>I think that the "best programmer" of an Alpha is a different thing from the
>>>>"best programmer" of an Intel. And in both cases, the programmer that writes an
>>>>efficient Assembler program is likely to be the one to achieve the necessary
>>>>efficiency,regardless of hardware.
>>>
>>>It is impossible to organize a stricly uniform platform event, I know. But it is
>>>possible to get near that, which is interesting enough I think.
>>>
>>>We could say that the choice of the processor is one of the programmer's skills.
>>>If we agree on "400MHz Alpha roughly as fast as 300MHz Intel for chess
>>>programming", we are still comparing the programmer's skills.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>If it is not to be "anything goes" in terms of programming language, you get
>>>>into a minefield of who to allow and who to exclude. What's wrong with Pascal,
>>>>for instance? In the format you suggest, it should be called the "Chess
>>>>C-programmer's Championship"!
>>>
>>>IMO, anything goes in term of programming language. So no problem with your
>>>program or a Pascal program or a Cobol program.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Christophe
>>
>>Hi Christophe,
>>
>>Sounds good to me. I have always programmed out of necessity for the computer I
>>owned at the time, which happens to be a P333 at present. It will run OK on
>>other Pentiums, but I don't know where I would get hold of one! For a uniform
>>(or nearly so) platform, it would probably be best if some publicity-seeking
>>company could be persuaded to loan the hardware for the event. Then everyone
>>gets the same hardware, and nobody has to travel with their computer "on their
>>backs". I would be travelling alone, and transporting my PC as well as my
>>ordinary luggage would pose very great logistical problems for me.
>>
>>I think the best thing about this kind of event is the chance to meet other
>>programmers in person and exchange ideas. I have never actually met anyone else
>>who programs chess except on the net.
>>
>>Best wishes,
>>Roberto
>
>Well you are in for a treat then.  My very first tournament was a
>wonderful time for me even though my program almost finished in last
>place.  I had no expectations and could not have cared less, I simply
>had a great time.
>
>In my case, just about everyone was willing to share their good
>ideas with me and were very helpful to me.  In particular, Tony
>Sherzer the programmer of BeBe was very encouraging and made me
>feel a part of the group.  It's too bad I cannot tell him that
>now.
>
>As soon as I got home I scrapped the  program I had and started from
>scratch on a new one which was light years ahead of the previous
>one based on knowledge I had gained at this tournament.
>
>If you come,  you will get treated the same way I did at this first
>tournament.   (Including the part where we beat up on your program :-)
>
>- Don

Hi Don,

I very much hope I can come, but it won't be easy for me. I would be on a very
tight budget, the dates would be critical, and I don't know if I can transport
my PC or not. If that is not possible, would there be any possibility to borrow
the use an MIT computer when I arrived? If firm dates can be arranged by
September it would help, because there are several dates which I have to commit
myself to being here on, but if I know in advance when to avoid I have a better
chance.

Best wishes,
Roberto



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