Author: Robert Henry Durrett
Date: 17:54:31 06/21/02
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On June 21, 2002 at 19:41:01, José Carlos wrote: >On June 21, 2002 at 14:19:23, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>where are the user of chess programs? >>The most person which are write here or in WinBoard Forum are programmers. >> >>Normaly we must try to get more user in chess fora. >> >>Best >>Frank >> >> >>PS: >>Not easy to get a beta tester, or? >>All are testing his own programs against other programs. >>And tomorrow we have 500 engines and only 10 users :-)) >>(in this case a lot of work for me and all my links). >> >>Have a nice day! > > Do you think it is necessary to mix everybody in a forum? I like this forum >because there're a lot of chess programmers and we have interesting programming >discussions here. If there comes a day when I need to read 200 posts about Fritz >vs Shredder matches just to find an interesting (for me) thread, I'll probably >stop posting here. > I suggest you create a new forum for testers, where people mainly post about >results. Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to go out of here, of course. >I'm just suggesting what I consider a better structure of forums. > > José C. I feel obligated to object most strongly, especially since I cannot wear the "chess programmer" badge. The different types of people here at ICD-CCC complement each other! The testers provide valuable information, which should greatly assist the "real" chess programmers. The users provide an input regarding the "desirements" of the user community. And the real chess programmers provide a lot of insight into the "guts" of chess programs, primarily engines. They also provide insights into what kinds of testing are most helpful and what is involved in meeting user "desirements." As in any large club, there are groups within the club who tend to talk to each other. The real chess programmers [i.e. those who have written at least one successful chess engine program] tend to discuss programming issues, which must seem hard to follow by the non-programmer testers and users. But, as a "user," I must say that I find those threads to be fascinating! This club is also a great place for "young budding chess programmers" to learn from the more experienced chess programmers. Perhaps the most helpful "tutors" are Dann Corbit [See? I spelled it right this time!] and "The Professor," Bob Hyatt. Many others routinely present very informative bulletins as well. Speaking for myself, I continue to be in a learning process with regard to the types of bulletins, which are most desirable and helpful here. Nevertheless, my fascination with chess, chess programs, and chess programming will make me stay here for the rest of my life, barring catastrophe. I have done a lot of programming in the past; so can understand at least a little bit. Bob D.
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