Author: Albert Silver
Date: 18:43:31 08/13/02
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On August 13, 2002 at 10:33:34, Nicolas GUIBERT wrote:
>
>>
>>In international checkers a strong player (one of the first 10) convincigly won
>>against the program Buggy, winning also some games at 5 mins !!
>>
>
>Hi there,
>
>Actually, I am the programmer of the 10x10 draughts program Buggy. Let me add
>some words about this discussion.
>
>N'Diaga Samb indeed won a match against Buggy. This was however a very close
>call. Out of 13 games, the computer had 3 winning positions, but unfortunately
>failed to win any. On the contrary, the human player (world number 11) won the
>two sets of the match (one game per set), using his winning chances better.
>
>In international draughts, I believe that there is a lot room for man-machine
>matches. Indeed, even if some day the computer beats the world champion, he will
>be able to win a revenge, and this swing could last for some years.
>
>The game has both tactics and strategy. This means that if a human player
>manages to avoid tactical positions, it can still win the game, and this
>probably also in twenty years' time.
>
>I also don't think the number of different pieces in a game has anything to do
>with the complexity of the game. This definitely has to do with the complexity
>of the rules, but not of the game.
>
>But well that's a common mistake that most people do and that harms so much the
>image of the game.
>
>What if we said that Chess is more complex than Draughts because the pieces are
>nicer to look at ???? Well obviously this is irrelevant and has only to do with
>the rules. Same for the number of different pieces.
>
>Chess has a better image, is nicer to look at, and has more complex rules. Sure.
>
>But as rightfully stated earlier in this thread, Othello, Chess, Draughts, Go,
>are all, too complex for our human brains. Therefore they deserve to be
>respected equally.
>
>Nicolas Guibert.
Thank you for the feedback. Could you say what the time control was against the
GM? Also, have there been any other interesting man-machine matches? I was
always surprised that an effort similar to that which went into developing
Chinook wasn't spent on 10x10 draughts, which is generally recognized as being a
harder game. Perhaps it is because there has never been such a dominating player
in it such as Tinsley in the 8x8 game.
Albert
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